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The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« on: February 02, 2007, 01:30:30 PM »

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The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
An astute observer of this case recommends analyzing events through the prism of what he’s termed the “courage-meter.” People in positions of authority have displayed little or no courage to do the right thing throughout this affair. North Carolina’s senators, Elizabeth Dole and Richard Burr? Zero on the courage-meter. The state’s governor, Mike Easley? Another courage-meter zero. Durham’s congressman, David Price? A negative score, based on his de facto endorsement of Nifong only days before the state bar deemed the D.A. a rogue.


But this quartet has the hearts of lions compared to the state’s best-known Democrat, John Edwards, currently making his second bid for President. Before entering politics, Edwards was one of the state’s best-known criminal defense attorneys. He even worked in the law firm of Wade Smith, Collin Finnerty’s lead attorney in the lacrosse case. So if anyone should be sensitive to massive prosecutorial abuse, it’s Edwards.


His response? First silence—and then, as Liestoppers and Betsy Newmark have noted, appointing as his campaign’s lead blogger a figure who has branded the players guilty, in ugly rhetoric that almost makes Wendy Murphy look temperate.


Amanda Marcotte wrote on the Edwards blog that she came to her post after a sting for “a blog called Pandagon, which is one of the top liberal political blogs on the internet and known mostly for insightful and often humorous political blogging.” [emphasis added]


What kind of “insightful” blogging has Marcotte offered on the lacrosse case? Liestoppers had the graphic detail:



In the meantime, I’ve been sort of casually listening to CNN blaring throughout the waiting area and good f*cking god is that channel pure evil. For awhile, I had to listen to how the poor dear lacrosse players at Duke are being persecuted just because they held someone down and f*cked her against her will—not rape, of course, because the charges have been thrown out.

Can’t a few white boys sexually assault a black woman anymore without people getting all wound up about it?

So unfair.

Yes, how dare a rape victim act confused and bewildered like she was raped or something.

Natalia, do you know the details of the case? If so, why do you think a women enthusiastically jumped into a sexual situation with men making slavery jokes at her? Furthermore, what is your theory on why she supposedly looooooved having sex with guys holding her facedown on the bathroom floor? There’s no “if” they behaved in a disrespectful manner. We have conclusive evidence that happened.

This is about race and class and gender in every way, and there’s basically no way this woman was going to see justice. In her part of the country, both women and black people are seen as subhuman objects to be used and abused by white men.

Yeah, I know, Alon. Which is why I’m frustrated that people are pretending ‘can’t identify which one raped her” somehow equals ‘wasn’t raped’. I had some initial confusion about exactly who was assaulting me when I was assaulted, but that doesn’t mean that his hands weren’t actually where they were.

Plus, the media is acting like these men are exonerated!



After James Taranto brought attention to the words above, Marcotte deleted them (so much for “transparency” in the Edwards campaign). Her new statement?



Since people are determined to make hay over this quick shot of a post, I’m deleting it and here’s my official stance. The prosecution in the Duke case fumbled the ball. The prosecutor was too eager to get a speedy case and make a name for himself. That is my final word.


“Too eager to get a speedy case”?! Nifong has been dragging the case out for months, and opposed defense efforts to get a speedy trial.


Anyhow, the above post looks like more than a “quick shot of a post”—it comprised several paragraphs, and showed some knowledge of the basic outline of the case. It also clearly implied that John Edwards’ official campaign blogger is on record believing that a rape occurred.


Moreover, as the Liestoppers post makes clear, Marcotte’s position in the since-deleted post is fully consistent with her other “insightful” commentary on the case:

There’s just something about this Duke rape case that’s inspiring to rape apologists . . . [Feminists] could certainly come up with a more efficient method if we wanted to of getting men in jail besides getting ourselves raped and then raising a fuss as if we had a right not to be raped. Pandagon 5/10
In almost every article and piece of commentary, the event is portrayed not as a crime between individuals but as a clash between classes, races and sexes. That might be because the rapists [no “alleged” for Edwards’ official campaign blogger] were making jokes about slavery and picking cotton to the victim, which is to say reminding her of their racial privilege by referencing the history that created it. Pandagon 4/09
Smarty-pants, educated womenz (and one dude who loved the cock) who have sex with guys who aren’t me raped that stripper at Duke, not a bunch of overly entitled rich white boys making cracks about picking cotton. Pandagon 8/31
Edwards should demand Marcotte’s immediate resignation from campaign.

[Full disclosure: I support Barack Obama, one of Edwards' rivals for the nomination.]


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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2007, 01:45:56 PM »

There is a time and place  to be politically correct and I would imagine that when you are working on the campaign for a former senator from the State of North Carolina might be one of them.   

I would be very surprised if Mr. Edwards is aware of the tone of Ms. Marcotte's blog, especially having to do with the Duke Lacrosse case.  I feel that Ms. Marcotte is a political liability for John Edwards right now and if she feels this man should be our next president, it might be wise make herself politically correct immediately or resign from the position.

I know that the company people keep represents what they believe and sometimes we have to clean out the company to make sure we are correctly represented.

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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2007, 01:50:04 PM »

I notice that Marcotte has deleted all the posts by Emmy and me over there, so you sort of get the "one-hand clapping" kind of discussion that in the Western world is called whiffing.

Too bad I didn't save all my posts, but then people over here or at Liestoppers actually have some knowledge of the case. People over at Pandagon remain blissfully ignorant, thanks to the censor there.

I suspect that by the end of the day Edwards and Marcotte may be having a parting of ways.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2007, 01:56:19 PM »

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In her part of the country, both women and black people are seen as subhuman objects to be used and abused by white men.


What utter drivel.  What experience does she have with white men in the South to make such a blanket, ugly, hateful and preposterous statement?

I was never a big Edwards fan, but any thoughts I had that he might get my vote just went out the window, never to return.
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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2007, 02:15:21 PM »

Superb post, abb!!!

   I agree that Marcotte is a huge political liability. I know that Edwards is attempting to rally the base of the party, but he should reconsider that strategy with Clinton and Obama in the race. An "in your face" campaign will not work in Iowa and most of North Carolina.

   I read some of Marcotte's stuff, and she is witty, but supremely foul-mouthed. That may work on an uber-liberal anti-war blog or a Duke Hoax/Frame blog, but what happens when Clinton staffers and Obama operatives start spreading some of those nasty flames? I can see it now: Clinton campaign worker sending out anonymous tips to newspapers with quotes from pandagon.com and the heading, "This is who John Edwards hired on as his masterblogger. Should we trust him to staff a cabinet or appoint federal judges?" 
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2007, 02:21:54 PM »

 Noticed she was planning a move to Chapel Hill..she is being torn to shreds here as well as on LS. Maybe TL can invite her here to explain her comments. I think she should have the opportunity to explain her comments and express her opinion.
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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2007, 02:41:37 PM »

Noticed she was planning a move to Chapel Hill..she is being torn to shreds here as well as on LS. Maybe TL can invite her here to explain her comments. I think she should have the opportunity to explain her comments and express her opinion.

I don't believe she is banned.
She has not extend the same courtesy to anyone else. I doubt she could conform to the obscenity rules.



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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2007, 04:05:06 PM »

I'd love to engage Marcotte in a discussion about the case. Something that can't be done over at Pandagon.
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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2007, 04:22:10 PM »

Noticed she was planning a move to Chapel Hill..she is being torn to shreds here as well as on LS. Maybe TL can invite her here to explain her comments. I think she should have the opportunity to explain her comments and express her opinion.

Don't think she should plan on calling the movers just yet.

What the heck is Edwards thinking?  We wrote our checks to him and to Kerry once Kerry took him on.  Now we won't go to Edwardsville again even though his wife is an incredible person.  Elizabeth--stop your husband's hari kiri now!
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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2007, 04:27:34 PM »

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/2/15344/36869

The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 12:12:29 PM PST
An increasing number of bloggers are taking aim at Amanda Marcotte regarding her posts about the Duke Rape Hoax.
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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2007, 04:56:31 PM »

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/2/15344/36869

The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
by xy109e3
Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 12:12:29 PM PST
An increasing number of bloggers are taking aim at Amanda Marcotte regarding her posts about the Duke Rape Hoax.


As well they should! What is so unbelievable is that Marcotte doesn't even have the excuse that she "Rushed to Judgment." I guess it would best be described as "Floundering Around to Judgment."

I really do love the headline "The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco," but I wonder if it might also now be more precise to call it "The Edwards-Marcotte Scandal"? Now that more and more people are awakening to the problem, it becomes less a "fiasco" and more of a "scandal."

Additionally, when you consider that John Edwards wants to select the next Vice President of the United States, the next United States Secretary of State, the person who will become the next Secretary of Agriculture, the people who will become the other members of his cabinet, as well as fill the next vacancy on the United States Supreme Court, such an inability to "choose wisely" has grave consequences. Therefore, I suggest "scandal" as an appropriate term.

I do agree that "fiasco" does seem to exempliify and perhaps better describe the utter silliness of such an appointment, so I will concede that there are arguments both ways.

   
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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2007, 04:57:13 PM »

Noticed she was planning a move to Chapel Hill..she is being torn to shreds here as well as on LS. Maybe TL can invite her here to explain her comments. I think she should have the opportunity to explain her comments and express her opinion.

Mark:

Because you are not always "trollish" in my opinion and I think you are being serious here, I will explain why I think your idea would do no good, and why Amanda will not take Jerilyn up on it:

Amanda is used to having full control. She'll delete your posts for any or no reason at all, even if they consist of nothing but a list of facts she finds inconvenient. She will not, and cannot argue on a level playing field. How do I know that? I've known about her for years as she is a feminist blogger , among other things, and people I've known from various boards have run into her before, and I've read Pendagon more than a several dozen times.

Also, one of her frequent friendly posters is ginmar. I urge you to google on ginmar..esp. her livejournal. She is someone that Amanda hangs out with and considers her a friend..and never, ever censors her.

You are known by the company you keep. Amanda doesn't keep very good company.
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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2007, 05:07:04 PM »

cib, Marcotte certainly has problems with actually allowing any kind of discussion that doesn't involve nodding in unison. That speaks to how well she feels she can defend her positions.
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Re: The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2007, 05:13:16 PM »

It's not just the Duke Rape case.  The woman blogs with a foul mouth.  Word to the wise...never type someyhing you wouldn't want others to read...especially if one wants to blog for a Presidential Candidate!
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2007, 05:51:49 PM »

It's not just the Duke Rape case.  The woman blogs with a foul mouth.  Word to the wise...never type someyhing you wouldn't want others to read...especially if one wants to blog for a Presidential Candidate!
That is what I find hard to understand. What exactly attracted Edwards to this particular blogger? Her position on the Duke lacrosse case?  Her use of the f-word? Surely not?
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