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Altamonte Family Practice
« on: July 03, 2012, 10:21:07 PM »
George Zimmerman's visit the day after is causing me some confusion.  It would appear that he went there primarily because of his nasal distress.  His list of medications is brief including what is basically two vitamins including an iodine tablet, a sleep aid and something for acid reflux.  He only saw a PA?

I remember reading that his physician had recommended a psychiatrist for PTSD and from the medications he mentioned in jail calls he had his Adderal and one other medication, mirtazapine for an antidepressant and sleep aid .   I thought he had to have seen a physician or a shrink to get someone to get those prescriptions.   A PA couldn't issue those meds.  IMO.

Is this just one of possibly two medical reports?


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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2012, 10:33:57 AM »
We can assume that the other prescriptions were already valid at the time of the shooting.  It's not in the public record who issued those drug scripts to George.  GZ seems to have seen a Physician's Assistant (authorized to write prescriptions) the day after the killing, and told the PA that the EMTs told him his nose was broken.  The PA did not "diagnose" him with a broken nose, she re-reported what he told her.   Broken noses are difficult to diagnose and there isn't much that can be done about them anyway, so often the risk of an X-ray of the head/brain is weighed against the possible good it might do and not recommended, I understand.  She did seem to refer him to a specialist if he wanted to know more, but he didn't follow up on that AFAIK. 

From jail records we know he is still taking the addreall and the other drug, and he's said he has ADD or ADHD, I'm not sure which.  IANAD.   It's possible that attention deficit disorder could be an issue at trial as a means to excuse some memory problems GZ may have regarding what the prosecution calls inconsistencies and contradictions in his testimony.  That's not been stated explicitly by the defense but GZ did tell the police during an interview that he "has a bad memory" and may have related this observation to to his ADD.  I'm not sure exactly where in the transcripts this can be found but I recall it was to Serino, not Singleton. 

A known side effect of addreall is violent behavior, according to wikipedia.  In my opinion however, pills don't shoot people.  People shoot people. I hope that these substance issues don't become an issue at trial since they don't "prove" much IMO.

Willis that is a very fair assessment from you. 

It has been my experience, however, that when going to one of those walk-in clinics that you tell them what medications you are currently prescribed. ((There are hundreds of those "Doc-in-the-Boxes" in Florida.  I favored one of them when I lived there because it was convenient and less time consuming that going to an ER.))  All prescriptions are noted on your chart, just like his allergy to penicillin.  THe PAS even liste his Vitamins.  The Adderal should certainly be there even if the Mirtazapine isn't.   That Mirtazapine works very much like the Trazodone that I take, as I read its description.  Unless I am getting my prescription through a psychiatrist, the pharmacy won't fill it.  A Gen Practitioner  or an Internal Medicine doctor wouldn't be acceptable to them.

BBM:

Millions of people take Adderal.  We would have rioting in the streets if all were violent.    You can bet your bottom dollar that if it is of any benefit to either side, that will come out in court.  I don't think MOM would have a qualm about it though I think the Prosecutor would be hesitant.

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2012, 11:43:23 AM »

That's not been stated explicitly by the defense but GZ did tell the police during an interview that he "has a bad memory" and may have related this observation to to his ADD.

2/29-1, 24:44-25:33

Zimmerman mentioned ADHD in response to Serino asking if there was documentation of his poor memory.

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2012, 03:11:50 PM »
We can assume that the other prescriptions were already valid at the time of the shooting.  It's not in the public record who issued those drug scripts to George.  GZ seems to have seen a Physician's Assistant (authorized to write prescriptions) the day after the killing, and told the PA that the EMTs told him his nose was broken.  The PA did not "diagnose" him with a broken nose, she re-reported what he told her.   Broken noses are difficult to diagnose and there isn't much that can be done about them anyway, so often the risk of an X-ray of the head/brain is weighed against the possible good it might do and not recommended, I understand.  She did seem to refer him to a specialist if he wanted to know more, but he didn't follow up on that AFAIK. 

From jail records we know he is still taking the addreall and the other drug, and he's said he has ADD or ADHD, I'm not sure which.  IANAD.   It's possible that attention deficit disorder could be an issue at trial as a means to excuse some memory problems GZ may have regarding what the prosecution calls inconsistencies and contradictions in his testimony.  That's not been stated explicitly by the defense but GZ did tell the police during an interview that he "has a bad memory" and may have related this observation to to his ADD.  I'm not sure exactly where in the transcripts this can be found but I recall it was to Serino, not Singleton. 

A known side effect of addreall is violent behavior, according to wikipedia.  In my opinion however, pills don't shoot people.  People shoot people. I hope that these substance issues don't become an issue at trial since they don't "prove" much IMO.

This is a first time post for me, but it really irks me when people relay information about Add**all that is incorrect when it is being used properly.

Add**all is pure amphetamine. It is legally prescribed to people with ADHD. It works by slowing down the brain activity, which is a feature of ADHD. However, since this is pure amphetamine it comes with the same risks associated with amphetamine when the person does not in fact have ADHD.

Whilst it might be true that Add**all can create violence in some, it is not true for the majority of the patients that take that drug for legal reasons!!  This is a case where Wikpedia has incorrect information or at least the information is edited!!

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 04:39:39 PM »
According to GZ's statement to Serino, he was diagnosed with ADD as a child. Add**all does not cause those effects in children or others with ADD. It may cause them in some people who take it who do not have ADD.  Add**all causes the opposite effect in those with ADD, it slows them down, allows them to concentrate and focus. If it weren't safe, it would not be prescribed to children as young as 6.

In other words, if GZ has ADD, his use of Add**all would have made him less prone to violent behavior and more in control.

Also please do not spell out Add**all or amphet**mines in your comments. They are censored words because they attract non-human spambots like crazy.

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 06:43:22 PM »
According to GZ's statement to Serino, he was diagnosed with ADD as a child. Add**all does not cause those effects in children or others with ADD. It may cause them in some people who take it who do not have ADD.  Add**all causes the opposite effect in those with ADD, it slows them down, allows them to concentrate and focus. If it weren't safe, it would not be prescribed to children as young as 6.

In other words, if GZ has ADD, his use of Add**all would have made him less prone to violent behavior and more in control.

Also please do not spell out Add**all or amphet**mines in your comments. They are censored words because they attract non-human spambots like crazy.

Sorry, I didn't know about the spambots.  I will be careful for here on out.

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 07:34:47 PM »
According to GZ's statement to Serino, he was diagnosed with ADD as a child. Add**all does not cause those effects in children or others with ADD. It may cause them in some people who take it who do not have ADD.  Add**all causes the opposite effect in those with ADD, it slows them down, allows them to concentrate and focus. If it weren't safe, it would not be prescribed to children as young as 6.

In other words, if GZ has ADD, his use of Add**all would have made him less prone to violent behavior and more in control.

Also please do not spell out Add**all or amphet**mines in your comments. They are censored words because they attract non-human spambots like crazy.

Jeralyn, my apologies for spelling out those words. I will keep that in mind, because I know all about those spambots  :'(

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2012, 05:38:50 PM »
George Zimmerman's visit the day after is causing me some confusion.  It would appear that he went there primarily because of his nasal distress.  His list of medications is brief including what is basically two vitamins including an iodine tablet, a sleep aid and something for acid reflux.  He only saw a PA?

I remember reading that his physician had recommended a psychiatrist for PTSD and from the medications he mentioned in jail calls he had his Adderal and one other medication, mirtazapine for an antidepressant and sleep aid .   I thought he had to have seen a physician or a shrink to get someone to get those prescriptions.   A PA couldn't issue those meds.  IMO.

Is this just one of possibly two medical reports?

Deb the two vitamins are not exactly vitamins but are used by people with arthritis. The report also mentions a diagnosis for sacroiliitis. Ouch!!

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 10:36:48 PM »
I thought he might have gotten that from getting knocked on his beauhunkus, Aussie.

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2012, 03:44:30 PM »
I thought he might have gotten that from getting knocked on his beauhunkus, Aussie.

Deb, he would have gotten a new round of inflammation. A doctor cannot diagnose sacroiliitis without x-rays. There were no x-rays taken that day, which indicates to me that there could be a pre-existing condition already diagnosed. In fact if anything, the fall on his back and having that person on top of him would have set up a new round of inflammation. It does not take much for the area at S1 to become inflamed. However, it is usually the muscles that are causing the problem, not the joint itself.

I actually suspect that there is some kind of pre-history that is involved. It is not normal for a 28 year-old to be taking stuff that is useful for people with arthritis, and it is listed in pre-history.

As one who has had a diagnosis of sacroiliitis, and who has had multiple falls, let's just say I know how that works  :-\   

I was surprised when I noticed exactly what was prescribed or at least what he was taking. I noticed because I have had my own struggles. I am well aware of the limitations involved with having inflammation of the sacroiliac joint. I am honestly not so certain that this man could have run all that fast and that shoots down what the Prosecution is claiming to have happened.



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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2012, 07:34:12 PM »
I remember reading that his physician had recommended a psychiatrist for PTSD and from the medications he mentioned in jail calls he had his Adderal and one other medication, mirtazapine for an antidepressant and sleep aid .   I thought he had to have seen a physician or a shrink to get someone to get those prescriptions.   A PA couldn't issue those meds.  IMO.

As far as I know, a physician's assistant can prescribe those meds in FL. I think they have the same prescribing abilities as nurse practitioners.

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2012, 10:15:06 PM »
The thing that irks me here is that people seem to think he is on this wacky cocktail of meds that would make the average person inclined to go crazy at the drop of a hat. The three meds he mentions he takes are pretty run of the mill, with Add**all and temazepam being really commonly prescribed medications. In fact, a lot of doctors frequently pair those two together as Add**all is known to cause insomnia. They are both old, tried and true drugs that are pretty safe.

He mentions taking Librax too which is not that common anymore but its generally given to those with IBS. One of the two drugs that make up Librax is a benzodiazepine, like temazepam, which has a calming effect that is supposed to help ease problems with IBS.

So if anything, being on two benzos its doubtful the guy is remotely "on edge" or a "loose cannon".




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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 07:32:53 PM »
The thing that irks me here is that people seem to think he is on this wacky cocktail of meds that would make the average person inclined to go crazy at the drop of a hat. The three meds he mentions he takes are pretty run of the mill, with Add**all and temazepam being really commonly prescribed medications. In fact, a lot of doctors frequently pair those two together as Add**all is known to cause insomnia. They are both old, tried and true drugs that are pretty safe.

He mentions taking Librax too which is not that common anymore but its generally given to those with IBS. One of the two drugs that make up Librax is a benzodiazepine, like temazepam, which has a calming effect that is supposed to help ease problems with IBS.

So if anything, being on two benzos its doubtful the guy is remotely "on edge" or a "loose cannon".

I am not aware of the benefits of using temaze for IBS. Over here the treatment for IBS is more fiber in the diet. However, temaze is used for when there are sleep difficulties. Another in the same family is used to treat muscle spasm.  Most of these things react differently for various conditions.

It is only when taken illegally that there is likely to be a problem.

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2012, 11:13:11 PM »
Deb, he would have gotten a new round of inflammation. A doctor cannot diagnose sacroiliitis without x-rays. There were no x-rays taken that day, which indicates to me that there could be a pre-existing condition already diagnosed. In fact if anything, the fall on his back and having that person on top of him would have set up a new round of inflammation. It does not take much for the area at S1 to become inflamed. However, it is usually the muscles that are causing the problem, not the joint itself.

I actually suspect that there is some kind of pre-history that is involved. It is not normal for a 28 year-old to be taking stuff that is useful for people with arthritis, and it is listed in pre-history.

As one who has had a diagnosis of sacroiliitis, and who has had multiple falls, let's just say I know how that works  :-\   

I was surprised when I noticed exactly what was prescribed or at least what he was taking. I noticed because I have had my own struggles. I am well aware of the limitations involved with having inflammation of the sacroiliac joint. I am honestly not so certain that this man could have run all that fast and that shoots down what the Prosecution is claiming to have happened.

OKay.  I was thinking of you when I was reading page 99.  In October 2011, Zimmerman requested and received permission to use his personal chair at his workstation because of a previous back injury.  ((There was some incident where one of the employees cut his lock off of the chair to access his workstation.))

You are right.  There is no way that overweight, out of shape guy was running anywhere, much less chasing down a fleet-of-foot teenager.

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Re: Altamonte Family Practice
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2012, 10:56:12 AM »

By Dee Dee's tale, Zimmerman didn't need to run. A forty-five minute walk, with a fifteen minute rest at the mail kiosk, followed by a short run, left poor Martin so tuckered out he could only manage a Tim Conway shuffle. Zimmerman caught up to him at a Harvey Korman amble.

 

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