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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #105 on: July 21, 2012, 06:34:53 AM »
I wonder how difficult it would be to see GZ 's race or talking on the phone at that time and exact place, i assume his window was up, might be a good idea to do a reenactment one night to see how hard it would be to see in the vehicle.

The old man, the grass, it seems odd TM telling her he's putting his hoodie on, or even her remembering that and why bring it up, i know same old gripe but ... fishy fishy fishy.


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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #106 on: July 21, 2012, 07:38:43 AM »
I wonder how difficult it would be to see GZ 's race or talking on the phone at that time and exact place, i assume his window was up, might be a good idea to do a reenactment one night to see how hard it would be to see in the vehicle.

The old man, the grass, it seems odd TM telling her he's putting his hoodie on, or even her remembering that and why bring it up, i know same old gripe but ... fishy fishy fishy.

Dee Dee said that TM told her GZ was white:

BDLR: OK…did he describe the man who was watching him?
Dee Dee: Yeah, he said white.

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #107 on: July 21, 2012, 10:27:24 AM »
quickly>

I assume a SYG hearing could happen fairly quickly?
It also appears that O'Mara can force DeeDee to give a one deposition at short notice.

I know of at least one recent case, where the defense didn't even request a SYG hearing until a year after the killing.

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #108 on: July 21, 2012, 10:52:06 AM »
I know of at least one recent case, where the defense didn't even request a SYG hearing until a year after the killing.

Do you know if the defendant was under any (onerous) bond conditions?

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #109 on: July 21, 2012, 11:14:33 AM »
Do you know if the defendant was under any (onerous) bond conditions?

Bond conditions are a separate issue, and can be argued at any time.

FWIW, I've posted a link to the Jarkas immunity order a couple times.  In that case, an immunity motion was filed and granted AFTER the trial.  I don't know if an immunity motion was also filed before the trial, but if it was, it hadn't been granted.  The jury was unable to reach a verdict on a murder charge, so there was no finding of guilt or acquittal.  The trial court granted immunity, because the only evidence the state had, for its narrative, was circumstantial.  IIRC, the state has that order on appeal.

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #110 on: July 21, 2012, 02:10:41 PM »
Dee Dee said that TM told her GZ was white:

BDLR: OK…did he describe the man who was watching him?
Dee Dee: Yeah, he said white.

 Deb doe's it seem TM informs her GZ is white and on the phone before he left the clubhouse?

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #111 on: July 21, 2012, 02:45:25 PM »
quickly>

I assume a SYG hearing could happen fairly quickly?
It also appears that O'Mara can force DeeDee to give a one deposition at short notice.

Not likely to happen quickly if the Trevor Dooley case in Tampa is an indication. A manslaughter charge was made in September of 2010 ($50k bond & prohibited from owning a gun or returning to his home). The SYG motion didn't come until April of this year & a ruling denying the immunity came in May. A trial is slated for September ... two years after the shooting. The defense says they would appeal the judge's ruling, but I've heard no more about that

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #112 on: July 21, 2012, 10:16:24 PM »
Deb doe's it seem TM informs her GZ is white and on the phone before he left the clubhouse?

Deb doe's it seem TM informs her GZ is white and on the phone before he left the clubhouse?

It seems to me that she is referring to him being by the mailboxes only because a little further down she talks about the phone call being dropped.  That would be the second time she references a dropped call.  The first being just before he got to the mail area.  I think that is the same dropped call.

From the transcript posted at JQ, with many thanks to the person who did this.

BDLR: So, did he tell you that he was already inside, like the gated place?
Dee Dee: Yeah, he ran in there.
BDLR: OK…
Dee Dee: That’s when the phone hung up…
BDLR: OK, I’m sorry..
Dee Dee: The phone hung up, and I call him back again.

BDLR: OK, and then what happened? What did he tell you?
Dee Dee: He under the shade.
BDLR: OK..
Dee Dee: …the mail area.
BDLR: Alright, OK, and you say shade, like a covered area…
Dee Dee: Yeah…
BDLR: …so he wouldn’t get wet.
Dee Dee: Mmm hmm [Yes].
BDLR: OK, and what else did he …did Trayvon tell you?
Dee Dee: And like…
BDLR: And I know this is difficult for you, but just take your time and tell us what you remember happening.
Dee Dee: A couple minutes later he come and tell me this man is watchin’ him.
BDLR: OK…did he describe the man who was watching him?
Dee Dee: Yeah, he said white.
BDLR: OK, did he say whether the man was standing, sitting…
Dee Dee: In a car.
BDLR: In a car?
Dee Dee: Yeah.
BDLR: What did he say about the man who was watching him…
Dee Dee: He was on the phone.
BDLR: He was on the phone?
Dee Dee: Yeah.
BDLR: OK, and what did Trayvon say after that?
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Dee Dee: He was telling me like…like he a man watching him, so he like started walking.
BDLR: He, Trayvon, started walking?
Dee Dee: He goin’ start walking.
BDLR: OK.
Dee Dee: And then…the phone hung up. And I call him back again. And then, I say ‘What you doin’?’ and he say he walkin’ and he said this man still following him, behind the car. And I’m like…or like, he told me…he tell me..he put his hoodie on, so I like…


This last interchange, I think she is saying that he has left the mailboxes and is walking toward the E-W sidewalk.   I think that this is the start of the 7:12pm call that ran for the 4 minutes until the altercation disconnected the phone.

 

6:45-6:50 (5 min. - from Martin to DeeDee)
6:46-6:48 (2 min - from Martin to non-T-Mob.)
6:49-6:53 (4 min. - to Martin from DeeDee)
6:53-6:54 (1 min. - from Martin to DeeDee?)
6:54-6:55 (1 min. - from Martin to DeeDee?)
6:54-7:12 (18 min. - to Martin from DeeDee)
7:04-7:05 (1 min. - to Martin from non-T-Mob.)
7:08 text from DeeDee
7:12-7:16 (4 min. - to Martin from DeeDee


I have been beating my own head trying to figure out when her phone is disconnecting.  She talks about the phone acting up so I think she is talking about dropped calls.  There are a few short calls listed but these teens were talking a lot that day and most of the calls were for longer periods.  She refers to calling him back again.  The calls in red are incoming from Dee Dee. 
 
She says she got disconnected from him when he is entering the mail area so that might be the end of the 18 minutes call @7:12pm.
There is a one minute call to TM @7:04pm and that might be Chad Green. But that probably came through on call waiting.
We know she got disconnected @ 7:16pm

Many thanks to MJW for his timeline with the calls!
I would like to CCP this to the thread I started about Dee Dee's Transcript.  I hate having to retype.

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #113 on: July 23, 2012, 03:05:48 PM »
Do you know if the defendant was under any (onerous) bond conditions?

The case I was thinking of was Trevor Dooley. I checked the judge  has already rejected his SYG request.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/stand-your-ground-claim-by-trevor-dooley-in-fatal-park-shooting-rejected/1230020
The orginal shooting happened September 2010.
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_34

His bond was set at $50,000.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=148431

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #114 on: August 02, 2012, 02:02:13 AM »
Transcript from justicequest:

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BDLR: OK, thank you. Um…I think I already asked you, but let me make sure…he did tell you what he was at the store…the store where he had gotten candy or something, and you said iced tea, right?

Dee Dee: Yes.   
   

What a coincidence !




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Dee Dee: When he was at the…um…the mail thing

BDLR: Yeah.

Dee Dee: The man was on the phone.

BDLR: Alright.

Dee Dee: That’s what he was telling me.

BDLR: I’m sorry…what, what?

Dee Dee: He was telling me the man was on the phone. He put his hoodie on.

BDLR: Right. 




If you think that's credible then you have to wonder if TM suspected GZ was possibly reporting him.


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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #115 on: August 02, 2012, 03:43:16 AM »
What a coincidence !

I don't get it. What is a coincidence with what?

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #116 on: August 02, 2012, 04:03:16 AM »
I don't get it. What is a coincidence with what?
   

Sorry bout that, what i'm pointing out is why would she say iced tea when it was watermelon drink, iced tea was all over the media at the time and few knew it was actually watermelon.

The odds she'd remember or TM telling her it was iced tea would be very slim.

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #117 on: August 02, 2012, 04:25:46 AM »
   

Sorry bout that, what i'm pointing out is why would she say iced tea when it was watermelon drink, iced tea was all over the media at the time and few knew it was actually watermelon.

The odds she'd remember or TM telling her it was iced tea would be very slim.

I'm not sure how significant that is. It was written down on a police report as iced tea so it might be pretty common for people in the area to refer to that brand as just "iced tea" no matter what the flavor.

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #118 on: August 02, 2012, 05:04:23 AM »
Oh it's significant, but it doe's take some thought to understand how much.


 


 

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Re: Witness #8 (DeeDee)
« Reply #119 on: August 02, 2012, 05:13:21 AM »
Oh it's significant, but it doe's take some thought to understand how much.

If you're now referring to the theory about how watermelon drink and skittles might be used then I'm aware of it and think most people here have heard the theory. However, I don't think Jeralyn allows that kind of speculation here.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2012, 05:15:10 AM by FromBelow »

 

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