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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2012, 09:48:05 AM »
The prosecution concedes he was punched. The evidence supports it.
I could possibly grant this - at some point in the 45-second(ish) struggle, Martin's hand or fist probably came in contact with George's nose once.

There is zero evidence suggesting Martin punched George in the face 'at least a dozen times'.

The injuries to the back of his head support GZ's testimony.

No, they don't. Tell you what - go outside, find the nearest sidewalk, slam your head into it half a dozen times or so hard enough so that you feel like 'your head is going to explode'. Take some pictures. Also, tell us how you're feeling afterwards. Let's contrast that with the two small cuts on George's head and his nonchalant demeanour just -seconds- after the shooting.

The lower volume of the last few screams supports the GZ'stestimony ( once again persuasive testimony - given immediately after the incident)
It does? Your theory is that George's shouting would be -quieter- after Martin takes his hand of his mouth? You think George wouldn't want to shout as loud as he suddenly realizes he needs to take control of the gun?

Can I just throw in a few  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) here.

The comparative injuries ( or lack thereof ) establish George as the screammer as do W6 testimony that MArtin was totally in control OF George.
That makes about as much sense as claiming that it has to be George screaming because it was the last Sunday of the month.

I think your unlucky to have invested emotional capital attempting to support such a thin soup of conjecture. Did you ever post under thr member name of PB?
I have no idea who PB is. I've never posted on this board before this Zimmerman case.

I think you're unlucky in being forced to go through extreme mental contortions and cling to amazingly illogical conclusions to maintain your belief that George didn't needlessly gun down a 17yr old unarmed kid.

My emotional investment is in the truth, and in not having 17yr old kids gunned down for the crime of being black in a hoodie while walking. 
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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2012, 10:54:01 AM »
17yr old kids gunned down for the crime of being black in a hoodie while walking.

What case are you referring to where 17 year old kids were gunned down for being black in a hoodie while walking?

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #77 on: July 22, 2012, 11:03:22 AM »

"What #6 actually seen might be different than his statement"

Witness 6 went on at length about what he saw...almost an hours worth of his detailing what he describes of literally a few seconds in the dark.
 
He CLEARLY states he didn't see anyone hit, he doesn't know who was screaming, didn't see who started it, did not see any punches or hitting, didn't see how it ended





Your referring to his "statements" which changed a bit.

His statements made it clear he wasn't clear about a whole lot.





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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2012, 11:41:15 AM »
My emotional investment is in the truth, and in not having 17yr old kids gunned down for the crime of being black in a hoodie while walking.
Which speaks volumes to your bias in this case.

My interest is in the truth.  The color of the people involved is inconsequential.  The attire of the people involved is inconsequential.  I wouldn't want black, brown, yellow or white 17-year-olds gunned down for simply walking through a neighborhood no matter what clothing they were wearing.

However when a person assaults another person they should be prepared for the consequences, and people without an agenda will admit they caused their own demise.

Even you admit that Trayvon assaulted George, although reluctantly and with ridiculous caveats
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"I could possibly grant this - at some point in the 45-second(ish) struggle, Martin's hand or fist probably came in contact with George's nose once."

"came in contact" is laughable - his nose was broken.  Legally that is all that's required to exercise your right to self defense, so now even you have admitted that George acted within the law.  Glad you finally see the truth.

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« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2012, 12:10:04 PM »
Which speaks volumes to your bias in this case.

My interest is in the truth.  The color of the people involved is inconsequential.  The attire of the people involved is inconsequential.  I wouldn't want black, brown, yellow or white 17-year-olds gunned down for simply walking through a neighborhood no matter what clothing they were wearing.

However when a person assaults another person they should be prepared for the consequences, and people without an agenda will admit they caused their own demise.

Even you admit that Trayvon assaulted George, although reluctantly and with ridiculous caveats
"came in contact" is laughable - his nose was broken.  Legally that is all that's required to exercise your right to self defense, so now even you have admitted that George acted within the law.  Glad you finally see the truth.

Nicely put.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2012, 12:16:10 PM »
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"came in contact" is laughable - his nose was broken.  Legally that is all that's required to exercise your right to self defense, so now even you have admitted that George acted within the law.  Glad you finally see the truth.
"Likely" broken nose. No documented broken nose.

Too bad Zimmerman wasn't smart enough to get it documented.
He refused to see a specialist against the advice of the PA.
Too much trouble, I guess.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2012, 12:18:38 PM »


That doesn't look sucker punched, down to the ground whammied to me. Nor broken.
But that's just my opinion.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2012, 12:26:43 PM »
"Likely" broken nose. No documented broken nose.

Too bad Zimmerman wasn't smart enough to get it documented.
He refused to see a specialist against the advice of the PA.
Too much trouble, I guess.
or too expensive?  I didn't have my nose fixed when I broke it either.  I couldn't afford it.  I saw my ENT doctor the next day, decided to leave it as it was, and hoped for the best.  Most people can't tell it was broken but I see the difference.  Not unlike GZ. 

And I believe that the PA did say he had a closed break in his nose.  ((paraphrasing since I don't have time to go look up the exact wording.  It comes from the report that Gilbreath said he never saw when under oath and the same report that the SPD had in their possession somewhere around March 9th, IIRC.))

Whoooo?  Do you have a picture from the reenactment that you can post side-by-side with the one you say isn't a break to you?  I think you will see a bit of a difference.

Please make them in a link as to not use up bandwidth.  Per Jeralyn's request.  It messes with the board somehow.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2012, 12:28:37 PM »
Quote from: txantimedia
- his nose was broken.  Legally that is all that's required to exercise your right to self defense, so now even you have admitted that George acted within the law.
Please tell me you don't actually believe this.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2012, 12:49:58 PM »
"Likely" broken nose. No documented broken nose.

Too bad Zimmerman wasn't smart enough to get it documented.
He refused to see a specialist against the advice of the PA.
Too much trouble, I guess.
The EMT's diagnosed a possible broken nose.  The medical report states "nasal bones closed fracture".

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99022693/George-Zimmerman-Medical-Report

Argue with them.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2012, 12:54:27 PM »
"Likely..."

"Possible..."

You still have no documented certain broken nose. 

That's just the way it is.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2012, 01:13:41 PM »
Please tell me you don't actually believe this.
I can't do anything about ignorance of the a law except instruct:

Florida deadly force law:

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(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

A forcible felony under Florida law is:

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776.08  Forcible felony.
"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.

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784.045 Aggravated battery.
(1)(a) A person commits aggravated battery who, in committing battery:
1. Intentionally or knowingly causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement;

Breaking one's nose is permanent disfigurement, not to mention great bodily harm, as is pounding one's head on the sidewalk, trying to suffocate someone and beating one in the face with fists.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2012, 01:15:39 PM »
"Likely..."

"Possible..."

You still have no documented certain broken nose. 

That's just the way it is.
The medical report does not say "likely" or "possible".  It says "nasal bones closed fracture".  That is a diagnosis by a licensed physician.

Strain all you want.  You're wrong.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2012, 01:30:35 PM »
The medical report does not say "likely" or "possible".  It says "nasal bones closed fracture".  That is a diagnosis by a licensed physician.

Strain all you want.  You're wrong.
Incorrect. It is the code used for future reference so they know what wound/injury etc. they are talking about. There is no code for 'possibly broken nose'.

The diagnosis by the licensed physician says 'likely' broken nose. When/if he testifies at trial, he's going to say it was 'likely', not 'definitely/conclusively' broken.I'm glad you agree that we should trust the licensed physician's words.

I've had broken noses before. You can bet your damn life I'd want it looked it - it hurts like hell. It hurts to talk, it hurts to breathe. George didn't seem all that bothered. Maybe he just has a high threshold for pain.

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Re: George as a Witness
« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2012, 01:49:42 PM »
I will also note I have yet to see one picture of Z with black eyes. There's all kinds of pictures of him after the event. Anyone see one of his "black eyes?" I haven't.  Broken noses beget black eyes, yet...no actual pictures of these racoonicans.

As far as the picture from the reenactment

From the second part I'd assume you've seen the reenactment, yet from the first it seems as if you haven't. I'm colorblind (actually more "color deficient" than anything) and I can see the dark area under his eyes. Those dark areas are "black eyes." Watch the reenactment video - they're very evident.
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