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Witness 18-- Former Teacher, Most Distraught 911 Caller
« on: July 07, 2012, 05:20:50 PM »
Witness #18
A former school teacher. Lives on RVC north and a little east of the "T".
Upstairs in her back bedroom over the dog walk reading and watching TV
Around 7:05 she thought she heard loud voices outside while she was upstairs
This may have been during the pouring rain
She didn’t hear voices for about 10 minutes or so and then heard them again.
Looked out window, She couldn’t see anything at first
Turned light off, opened the window
then saw two men on the ground and heard someone calling for help.
heavier man was on top
7:16:56 She remembers hearing the pop noise. She thought she heard more than one pop.
7:17:06 She called 911. She saw a larger man standing a couple of feet from a body.
She couldn’t see any faces. She couldn’t hear what the people were yelling about.
She said she saw what looked like a “larger Hispanic man” as the person who walked away from the incident.
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This eye-witness was very upset when she realized she had witnessed part of a killing. The 911 phone person stayed on the phone comforting her for a long time. They even considered sending a separate ambulance for her. Instead, they had the investigators interview her that night.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2012, 10:17:15 PM by TalkLeft »

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Re: Witness 18
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2012, 06:37:01 PM »
I listened to her call once and her anguish was so palpable I'm in no hurry to hear it again.

If she really heard loud voices 10 minutes or more before the struggle starts, it's almost certainly someone else, that's just too early according to both Zimmerman's call and the young lady's recounting of her conversations.

Just another one of many co-incedences in this story.

Which gives me an idea.

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Re: Witness 18
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 07:50:00 PM »
it could just as easily be a warped sense of elapsed time, something common to people experiencing or even witnessing traumatic events.

If she really heard loud voices 10 minutes or more before the struggle starts, it's almost certainly someone else, that's just too early according to both Zimmerman's call and the young lady's recounting of her conversations.

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Re: Witness 18
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 08:29:04 PM »
Witness #18
A former school teacher. Lives on RVC north and a little east of the "T".

Her house backs up to the top of the T, which is the north side of the T. Here's a map.

She said during the call it was too dark to make out who was who in the struggle. She changed this later in the call after she saw Zimmerman get up. She  has said both that  she didn't call 911 until after hearing the pop and that she was on the phone with them when the shot happened.

She hired a lawyer and they made the rounds on CNN, from Anderson Cooper to Ashleigh Banfield and more. In some interviews her voice is disguised, sometimes as a male.  Her wording in her 911 call is similar to her later interviews: the "pop" sound, the thought someone might have been walking their dog in the rain, and a lot more, her description of her 911 call and what she saw, etc.  Her lawyer has been identified and given interviews.

In her 911 call, she said there were other neighbors whose porches were closer to the where the shooting occurred, who might have helped. It was too dark for her to see anyone clearly until after hearing the shot. She was so distraught during the call the dispatcher offered to send an ambulance to her house. She and her lawyer, Derek Brett of Orlando, later made the CNN rounds, with her face and voice being shielded. By then, she was convinced it was a young boy, Trayvon, who had cried out for help.

She doesn't describe the man as Hispanic in her 911 call, only in later interviews does she say she could see the man walking away was Hispanic. What she saw was Zimmerman walking away after the shot when people with flashlights had arrived on scene. She didn't even have her window open when she first heard what sounded like a scuffle before the shot. Then she turned her attention elsewhere until she heard them again. She called 911, and appears to be looking out her window describing what she is seeing. She says she heard a "pop." She wasn't sure it was a gunshot. She couldn't identify who was on top during the scuffle. She assumes it was the younger person because the older one walked away after it was over.

She is the witness who later described an "authoritative" voice. She assumes the older person has the authoritative voice. As I've said before, we've heard Zimmerman's voice, it's timid. We haven't heard Travyon's voice. She hears Zimmerman say he shot someone and surrender to police.

This is a classic case of an eyewitness memory being contaminated by post-event information, where the witness' memory of the original event is blended with information received later through the media. The result is a new memory is formed that is not accurate.

Listen to her 911 call.  Then interview with Serino. Then read the transcripts of her TV interviews:

    Anderson Cooper Interview
    Ashleigh Banfield Interview
    Jane Velez Mitchell Interview
    Another CNN Interview with itness'slawyer [/list]

    She said in her 911 call she had no friends or relatives nearby. I think she is lonely , was traumatized and then felt ignored .

    But since she lives at the top of the T, across from Witnesses 12 and 13, and she heard voices and saw two people struggle right outside her window,  even though it was too dark to make out who was who, it does indicate the confrontation began as GZ said at the top of the T.

    The state doesn't seem interested in calling her.

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    Re: Witness 18
    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 01:08:25 PM »
    it could just as easily be a warped sense of elapsed time, something common to people experiencing or even witnessing traumatic events.

    It could have been GZ talking to the dispatcher.

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    Re: Witness 18
    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 01:17:36 PM »
    It could have been GZ talking to the dispatcher.

    The earliest she could have heard Zimmerman talking with the dispatcher is about 7:12 PM, which is only about 5 minutes before the gunshot.

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    Re: Witness 18-- Former Teacher, Most Distraught 911 Caller
    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 01:31:22 PM »
    Yes, but like Filly says, she could have misjudged the time.

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    Re: Witness 18-- Former Teacher, Most Distraught 911 Caller
    « Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 01:34:33 PM »
    We've heard Zimmerman's voice talking on the phone. I don't think it's loud enough to catch the attention of a person in an upstairs room with a TV on.

    W-18 recalled two voices, from the beginning.

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    Re: Witness 18-- Former Teacher, Most Distraught 911 Caller
    « Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 01:35:29 PM »
    Ok

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    Witness 18 Claimed to
    « Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 04:03:01 PM »
    Responding to comment on another thread.

    She only claims to have heard the shot fired (pop noise) while she was calling 911 & thinks she heard two shots. She can't remember if she was even still at the window when on the phone with 911 & "panicking".

    That's what she told Serino the night of the shooting. Her memory, like Zimmerman's, improved with time.

    See p. 90 of the May 17 release, and pp. 16-17 of the July 12 release.

    She also claimed to have witnessed the shooting on at least one of her CNN interviews.

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    Re: Witness 18 Claimed to
    « Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 04:45:01 PM »
    Responding to comment on another thread.

    That's what she told Serino the night of the shooting. Her memory, like Zimmerman's, improved with time.

    See p. 90 of the May 17 release, and pp. 16-17 of the July 12 release.

    She also claimed to have witnessed the shooting on at least one of her CNN interviews.

    Same reply as in the other thread ....

    If you listen to her 911 call, she had already heard "like a bang" before her conversation with the 911 operator. She writes in her statement (5/17 release) the impossibility of her holding the phone up to the screen (for the 911 operator to hear) while watching & then hears a popping noise. An obvious misstatement of fact easily refuted by the tape of her 911 call.

    Again in the 7/12 release she repeats her bogus claim of observing one on top of another & hearing the "pop" (more than one time), while on the phone with 911. The 911 tape again refutes the possibility of this happening. She is not a credible witness.

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    Re: Witness 18
    « Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 05:00:39 PM »
    She is not a credible witness.

    I didn't say she was.

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    Re: Witness 18 Claimed to
    « Reply #12 on: August 07, 2012, 05:52:07 AM »
    Responding to comment on another thread.

    That's what she told Serino the night of the shooting. Her memory, like Zimmerman's, improved with time.

    See p. 90 of the May 17 release, and pp. 16-17 of the July 12 release.

    She also claimed to have witnessed the shooting on at least one of her CNN interviews.

    Zimmerman's memory varied with the passage of time, but I'm not certain that "improved" is the word I'd choose to describe that variance.

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    Re: Witness 18 Claimed to
    « Reply #13 on: August 07, 2012, 10:44:21 AM »
    not certain that "improved" is the word

    Subtle irony.

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    Re: Witness 18-- Former Teacher, Most Distraught 911 Caller
    « Reply #14 on: September 03, 2012, 10:46:04 AM »
    I can't seem to find the original hand-written statement by W18 that was done on Feb 26.  I can find the one she wrote on 3/16.  Does anyone have a link?

     

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