State v. George Zimmerman (Pre-Trial) > Self-Defense and Stand Your Ground

Immunity Hearing: Stand Your Ground and/or Self-Defense

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TalkLeft:
Now that Mark O'Mara has made clear he will be moving for an immunity hearing under traditional self-defense, let's have a thread discussing traditional self-defense vs. stand your ground, what a hearing entails and which one is a better or easier fit for George Zimmerman.

If you've already posted your thoughts or questions in another thread but want to bring them here, it's okay to repost.

The statutes:

776.012  Justiifable Use of Force

776.013  Stand Your Ground

776.032  Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action (for both)

And for those pondering the aggressor issue:

776.041  Use of Force by Aggressor

IrishGerard:
Re-posted from TL

I know this has been discussed before but it's my understanding that 776.013 is the Home Invasion counterpart to 776.012 (probably a moot point now that MO'M will be using .012)

They seem to be otherwise redundant?
They both include the 'no duty to retreat' (StandYourGround) language.

Also, the news media seems to be conflating SYG with the immunity hearing. A lot of confusion out there.
Fox News - http://tinyurl.com/9b36qwz

DebFrmHell:

--- Quote from: IrishGerard on August 14, 2012, 11:45:49 PM ---Re-posted from TL

I know this has been discussed before but it's my understanding that 776.013 is the Home Invasion counterpart to 776.012 (probably a moot point now that MO'M will be using .012)

They seem to be otherwise redundant?
They both include the 'no duty to retreat' (StandYourGround) language.

Also, the news media seems to be conflating SYG with the immunity hearing. A lot of confusion out there.
Fox News - http://tinyurl.com/9b36qwz

--- End quote ---

I know what you mean.  Every time I think I have a handle on it, I don't.  He refers to 776.032 but I thought that was purely a SYG issue.  Is the Self-Defense with immunity under the same clause?  I am no longer sure.

AJ:

--- Quote from: IrishGerard on August 14, 2012, 11:45:49 PM ---Also, the news media seems to be conflating SYG with the immunity hearing. A lot of confusion out there.
Fox News - http://tinyurl.com/9b36qwz

--- End quote ---

I just started a topic about individuals in the media getting it wrong (I've confirmed that they have it wrong). I'm not sure if NBC/MSNBC/CNN/etc have opined on it, but I did mention FNC's analysts. That thread is here: http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2159.msg101301.html#msg101301 And I do apologize, I didn't see your comment here until after I had made that thread.

TalkLeft:

--- Quote from: AJ on August 15, 2012, 04:44:59 AM ---I just started a topic about individuals in the media getting it wrong (I've confirmed that they have it wrong). I'm not sure if NBC/MSNBC/CNN/etc have opined on it, but I did mention FNC's analysts. That thread is here: http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2159.msg101301.html#msg101301 And I do apologize, I didn't see your comment here until after I had made that thread.
--- End quote ---

That's  fine, your thread is about the legal anlaysts and media. It's fine for it to have its own thread.

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