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During her FDLE interview she does not cite any specific policy, rules or regulations regarding Neighborhood Watch participants carrying weapons. There is no mention of carrying weapons in any of the NHW literature. She stated nobody asked about weapons during the TTL meeting but the question comes up at other NHW and she has a standard answer.

“My advice to them was, you have every right to have any weapon you want, that’s your constitutional right, but just remember that same weapon can be used against you and you don’t know what consequences that weapon will bring to you…that’s my standard answer”

Of course, GZ was not on NHW duty at the time so it does not really apply to this case but I have seen it repeated over and over that it is forbidden to carry weapons as an official policy of NHW. This is apparently not the case, for Sanford at least.

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 07:10:49 PM »
Her statement can be heard here. The part of her statement I quoted is @24:00.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk3RJZa1nLc&feature=plcp

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 09:58:26 PM »
During her FDLE interview she does not cite any specific policy, rules or regulations regarding Neighborhood Watch participants carrying weapons. There is no mention of carrying weapons in any of the NHW literature. She stated nobody asked about weapons during the TTL meeting but the question comes up at other NHW and she has a standard answer.

“My advice to them was, you have every right to have any weapon you want, that’s your constitutional right, but just remember that same weapon can be used against you and you don’t know what consequences that weapon will bring to you…that’s my standard answer”

Of course, GZ was not on NHW duty at the time so it does not really apply to this case but I have seen it repeated over and over that it is forbidden to carry weapons as an official policy of NHW. This is apparently not the case, for Sanford at least.

Thank you for looking this up.  I would have never thought to double check their literature to see what it says in the ways of weapons.  I assumed that there were guidelines in place that would prevent that.  I got that from rumors on the net...where else!

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2012, 09:58:56 PM »
Bill Lee pointed that out as well and it was reported in a Miami Herald article that is now gone. Google still has a cache of it though.

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Police Chief Bill Lee said that although police do not encourage watch program volunteers to carry weapons, he recognizes a citizen’s constitutional right to do so. No arrest was made, Lee said, because there was no evidence to disprove Zimmerman’s account.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/v-fullstory/2700249/trayvon-martin-shooter-a-habitual.html

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2012, 06:44:05 PM »
Our constitutional rights supersede any silly suggestions put forth by neighborhood watch organizers.

There was some neighborhood watch "expert" on TV analyzing the Zimmerman case and he went on to belittle him for carrying a gun. He then goes on to talk about himself being shot at and others he worked with on NW being shot at, some being killed. I suppose if they are getting close enough to suspects to get shot at, their approach can't be that much different than GZ. Except they have no means to protect themselves. Seemed pretty hypocritical and foolish to me.

As for Wendy Dorival, she mentioned prior that GZ had once caught a thief and an arrest was made. She never really seemed to elaborate on it. Have we ever concluded what she was talking about?

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 06:44:03 AM »
As for Wendy Dorival, she mentioned prior that GZ had once caught a thief and an arrest was made. She never really seemed to elaborate on it. Have we ever concluded what she was talking about?

This is old news. It was mentioned in a number of early press reports.

Orlando Sentinel, March 17
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When he saw a 24-year-old Lake Mary man shoplift a 24-inch TV from an Albertsons supermarket in 2003, he called the Seminole County Sheriff's Office and followed the suspect's car for several blocks, allowing a deputy to make an arrest, records show.

Serino also mentioned it.

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Serino: I can respect that protect community property, the helping of your neighborhood, and that kind of stuff. That's in you. I've seen these reports on you chasing down retail theft people. Yeah, you like to get involved. I mean, yeah.

Zimmerman: [Unintelligible] remember that.

Serino: Yeah, the TVs, or whatever, from the -

Zimmerman: Oh.

Serino: Yeah. Oh, yeah. OK. We know everything. I'm not coming in here not knowing who you are. You know?

The 2003 incident isn't in these call logs, as they only go back to 2004.

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 10:38:44 AM »
Wasn't that Wendy Dorcival in the CVSA tape?  Zimmerman made mention of the email he sent on her behalf to Chief Lee. 

The one thing Zimmerman states in that tape is that he didn't go in for the MRI, etc. is financial reasons.  They had a chat about insurance and he referred to his as "bottom of the barrel" insurance and that he had a 5K pay in before the insurance would kick in.  He didn't go to the ENT specialist or the MRIs because he couldn't afford it.

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 10:46:04 AM »
Wasn't that Wendy Dorcival in the CVSA tape?

Singleton.

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2012, 12:01:21 PM »
Singleton.

Thanks.  He was in contact with Bill Lee via Email about her after the shooting then?  That doesn't make sense to me but this is the first time I have been able to see and hear at the same time...

ETA:  I need to relisten but it is right towards the beginning....  I have to go to work so I will have to do it later.  First day back from my sta-cation.

« Last Edit: September 29, 2012, 12:03:44 PM by DebFrmHell »

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2012, 08:54:57 PM »
He was in contact with Bill Lee via Email about her after the shooting then?  That doesn't make sense to me but this is the first time I have been able to see and hear at the same time...

Congratulations on getting your computer fixed/upgraded/replaced.

Singleton isn't on topic here, so I've put the rest of my reply under Police Investigation.

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Re: Wendy Dorival (Volunteer Program Coordinator – Sanford Police Department)
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2012, 09:27:20 PM »
Congratulations on getting your computer fixed/upgraded/replaced.

Singleton isn't on topic here, so I've put the rest of my reply under Police Investigation.

LOL!  It is still the same POS...It does audio/video at whim.  I haven't tried the other two videos yet.  It absolutely positively will not take a WAV file.  It won't reload the Quicktime.

I saw the other thread.  I will comment more there.

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During her FDLE interview she does not cite any specific policy, rules or regulations regarding Neighborhood Watch participants carrying weapons.

Thanks for this post. Raising the subject has been on my 'to do' list for a while.

I suspect that Dorival is in for a good grilling from O'Mara on 'following'.

NHW policy regarding suspicious persons was discussed three times in her FDLE interview. Following got a brief, passing mention.

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Q: In the policy that you have there, is it the policy of the Neighborhood Watch program to, if they, if they see a suspicious person, or if something[sic] going on, is it their policy to confront those people?

Dorival: Not at all. Actually, during the whole presentation, and in the manuals, [throat clearing noise] excuse me, the coordinator handbook says you don't approach them, you don't make contact. No confrontations. Don't try to get into a physical altercation with them. I mean, you kind of see that kind of wording everywhere. Pretty much what we tell them, is, you're the eyes and ears. That is your position. You're the extra eyes and ears for the police department. And, you don't, you just observe and report, you know. And, there's even a slide here, that talks about not being the vigilante police. "Not the vigilante police. Work with the police. Be our eyes and ears. Report suspicious activity." You know, and, and we go through it, I mean it's repeated several times. We say the opposite of what you're asking. We tell them not to get into any kind of confrontations.

The slide Dorival read from is number 7 in the PowerPoint presentation.

16:32-17:07
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Q: So, again, the policy is for them to simply observe and report.

Dorival: Observe and report. That's -

Q: Not to follow, not -

Dorival: No

Q: - obviously carry a firearm -

Dorival: No

Q: - and confront individuals on the property.

Dorival: No, not at all.

Q: [Unintelligible.]

Dorival: We always tell them, let the police do their job. Call us, and let us take care of it. You don't have to confront them. You know, we don't want you to confront them. Because then we have to go there, and there's more issues. But, what we, what we always tell them is just call us. Call us, and let us handle it, whatever issue you think is happening.

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Dorival: It's all right down the second page [of the coordinator's handbook]. "What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or apprehensions of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency."

Text similar to what Dorival read is near the bottom of the third page of the document that Redbrow linked as 'Sanford Neighborhood Watch ProgramHandbook.' The only difference is that 'apprehension' is singular in the text.

This may be the same document Dorival called 'the coordinator's handbook', with the first page an unnumbered cover for the hard copy.

When one of the investigators brought up following, he folded it into a three part question. The other two were issues Dorival had previously addressed, firearms and confronting. After answering that none of those were NHW policy, Dorival chose confronting as the issue to talk about some more.

Dorival didn't mention following again, and none of the investigators asked again.

She didn't say whether she brought up following in her presentation. She didn't say if any resident of The Retreat at Twin Lakes asked a question about it. She didn't say whether she explicitly discouraged following. She didn't say if she told the people that observing was not to include changing positions to keep a suspect in sight. She didn't cite any NHW program materials on the subject.

I've looked through the materials myself without finding an explicit direction never to follow. There's an admonition on p. 15 of the handbook that's a bit stronger than those above.

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Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest.

 

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