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Offline MJW

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2013, 03:02:11 PM »
It the courts required more than evidence for impairment to establish the relevance of a victim's 0.21 blood-alcohol level, I can't see them requiring admission of a low-level marijuana level for that purpose alone. I still think it should come in if the state challenges GZ's description of TM looking like he was on drugs.

I definitely thought Martin looked like he was on something at the 7-Eleven, but that could be confirmation bias, I suppose.

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2013, 05:28:12 AM »
If Martin was swaying, does it matter if he was swaying fast or slow?

What matters is if he could be made to appear to be swaying when he wasn't.

If someone says those screams couldn't possibly be Zimmerman because his voice is too low and they play back a recording of him at half-speed to prove it, would you agree with them if you'd never heard him speak before?

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2013, 05:32:00 AM »
Do y'all think that people in motion picture footage from the early 20th Century really walked all funny and jerky like that?

Or does the difference in frame rates when copies are made on more modern equipment seem a more likely explanation?

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2013, 12:51:08 PM »
What matters is if he could be made to appear to be swaying when he wasn't.

My question wasn't rhetorical.

It may be true that changing the speed can make a person appear to be swaying when he isn't. I don't understand why that would be so.

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2013, 01:06:34 PM »
It may be true that changing the speed can make a person appear to be swaying when he isn't. I don't understand why that would be so.

Clarifying, I know that an explanation for this has been given.

one of those copies of the 7-Eleven videos that does not run at one second per second and therefore exaggerates small motions by making them appear to go on much longer than they actually did.

I don't understand the explanation.

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2013, 01:23:03 PM »
There's a video that clearly shows Trayvon swaying back and forth. It starts at about 20 seconds in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvwhGVWAdjI


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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2013, 01:43:22 PM »
Why does the hoodie look much darker than the one in the recently released evidence photos?  I don't notice the swaying.  I have a suspicion that this line of evidence isn't a good idea.  Some jurors might be as dense as I am.   :D

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2013, 01:47:28 PM »
Why does the hoodie look much darker than the one in the recently released evidence photos?

I would hope an evidence examination room would be better lighted than a 7-11.

ETA: Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing the hoodie in the photos. Might you be confusing it with the other sweatshirt? Which photo(s) do you have in mind?
« Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 01:51:39 PM by nomatter_nevermind »

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2013, 01:51:50 PM »
I would hope an evidence examination room would be better lighted than a 7-11.
The shoes and pants match the evidence pictures much better.  The relationship of color and lighting is a tough subject.

E.T.A. You are right.  I am confusing it with the sweatshirt which IIRC also had a hoodie.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 01:53:44 PM by RickyJim »

Offline nomatter_nevermind

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2013, 01:56:58 PM »
I don't notice the swaying.

I've also failed to detect it.

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I have a suspicion that this line of evidence isn't a good idea.  Some jurors might be as dense as I am.   :D

This isn't for the jury. It's to lay a foundation so the judge will admit the toxicology report.


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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2013, 02:52:57 PM »
Why does the hoodie look much darker than the one in the recently released evidence photos?  I don't notice the swaying.  I have a suspicion that this line of evidence isn't a good idea.  Some jurors might be as dense as I am.   :D

Wet v Dry, lighting, camera

All things that can have that effect.

If you have a grey sweatshirt in your closet go get it an poor a little water on it, it gets rather dark, coupled with different lighting conditions and different cameras with different settings.

Either that or we can create the 2Tray theory. ;)

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2013, 03:21:49 PM »
Either that or we can create the 2Tray theory. ;)

Create? It seems like ages since I first saw one of those.

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2013, 03:28:54 PM »
Either that or we can create the 2Tray theory. ;)

Already done. Someone on CTH has a theory that the person that GZ originally saw was TM's cousin -- or something like that. I never took it seriously enough to bother understanding the details.

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2013, 03:59:22 PM »
Wet v Dry

Going by weather reports and neighborhood surveillance videos, I don't think Martin would have been rained on before he reached the 7-11, unless he left home much earlier than W-8 suggests.

Btw, it bugs me that nothing in the record shows that Chad has been asked when Trayvon left.

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Re: State motions from 10 May
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2013, 04:28:03 PM »
So far I haven't seen a defense response to the states' motion from 10 May in opposition to a Frye hearing.  What Bernie said was ridiculous on its face but I would spell it all out for Nelson.

 

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