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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2013, 09:45:29 AM »
She will just focus on what's presented in the courtroom.

Discussing Facebook now. She doesn't get her information from FB news sections.  She hasn't clicked through to any news articles via FB. She hasn't had discussions about this case with her FB friends.

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2013, 09:49:35 AM »
If she was a juror and she heard something, she would bring it up with whoever she was supposed to tell.

She talked to her Mom but only with respect to the fact that the case was coming up. Her mom doesn't really have an opinion.

She's a churchgoer. Hasn't had discussions with churchmembers.

She has had interactions about the case with her friends. The case was coming up. They didn't discuss substance of the case or evidence.

She hasn't been paying more attention in recent weeks since she got jury summons. She hasn't seen recent court proceedings.

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #77 on: June 12, 2013, 09:56:12 AM »
Where did she get the idea race would be brought into it? GMA.
She just remembers the protests and the Reverand Al Sharpton and that an organization involved. She only saw his picture flashed, she didn't hear what he said. She would take what they said with a grain of salt.

She won't bring a racial component to the case.

She doesn't have much of a concern for her safety.

She has watched jurors in another case discussing a case they had been on and afterwards they got death threats.

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #78 on: June 12, 2013, 10:00:23 AM »
More discussion about safety, she really doesn't have a concern in this case, and if she did, she'd bring it up. O'Mara's done. Sidebar. Sounds like she's passed.

Court in recess for lunch.

If anyone is around after recess to live-update please do. NM-NM is busy and I'm off to work. Thanks.

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #79 on: June 12, 2013, 11:28:48 AM »
B-72 vs. Bernardo.  Some shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic before questioning gets under way, waiting on somebody.  It's a male.  Doesn't care for the news at all.  It's always tragedy and pessimism, tornados, shootings.  Remembers the day he heard, got home from the gym, first day he'd done a one armed pullup.  Turned on teevee, heard "Zimmerman."  Turned channel, heard "Zimmerman" again.  Asked by Bernardo, did the one arm pullup with either arm.

Gleans from news that Zimmerman saw a suspicious figure, some altercation happened, Martin died.  Doesn't know if Zimmerman pursued him, heard Martin came after Zimmerman, he remembers "Skittles."  Got sick of hearing about the case.  No internet contact with the case.  He has a dark view about the media, he tries to avoid it, the media brainwashes.  Bernardo asks if he seeks other sources of information? No.  Family or friends?  No.  He's a private person.

Do you remember any photographs?  Not that he can think of.  Any commentary or news come-ons (blurbs) while watching teevee?  No - Netflix.  Has anybody expressed opinions to you?  Yes.  One friend said Zimmerman did it, another came from the opposite direction, if somebody is in your territory.  If he saw a suspicious person in his neighborhood, he would not pursue him.  His point of view is you can't make a decision w/o information or based on emotions.  Both his friends were emotional about their position, and he tends to discount people who demonstrate that.

He says that looking back in memory (in response to Bernardo asking about past media exposure) is unreliable.  Remember anything about Martin?  Skittles.  Anything about Zimmerman?  No.

Has a relative in criminal justice system.  This won't affect his ability to sit as a juror.  This relative does not talk about his work life one bit.  Bernardo asks why did you put this in your questionnaire?  He thought the court would find it potentially relevant - better to get it out front.

West for the defense.  Job was a program coordinator, is now a maintenance technician for the past few days.  Job involves physically taking care of the property.  Were you employed at the same school/academy in Feb 2012.  West says the point of his questions is to uncover periods of unemployment where the prospect would have had more opportunity to watch teevee.  Does not have bachelor's degree yet, so didn't consider looking at a teacher's job in St. Mary's.   Off work from late May to August 2012.  Did not pay any more attention to news while unemployed.  Workout at gym, walk the dog, time with mom.  Only news he watches is Ch. 13, for weather.

Thinks Zimmerman was patrolling.  West asks where did you get that impression?  CNN.  When did you get this impression?  Early March 2012.  West asks when did you get sick of hearing about this?  Three days later.  The news was repetitive.  He does not see what the big deal is with this shooting, there are shootings every day.  West asks if the prospect is aware of reports of protests, objection, sustained.  Questions to not be predicated with an observation (i.e., no leading questions), e.g., did you hear or read of protests is now an off limit question.  The back and forth between lawyers and judge confuses the prospect.  West asks if the prospect has heard anything about racial motivation.  Objection - sidebar.   (Getting rid of leading questions will crimp Bernardo's style).  13:27

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #80 on: June 12, 2013, 11:42:34 AM »
13:30 sidebar done,  Form of questions probably better defined, for what it's worth.

West back at prospect.  You only heard about this case one time, channel surfing one day?  No, over a period of time.  About when?  The day he did the one-arm pullup, the next day, the day after that.  The weeks after that he watched no television.  First heard in early March, then 3 days after, tops, he stopped watching teevee, March 8 or 9 by guess.  Hasn't read anything since because he doesn't read.  About a month after (so, mid April) his two friends discussed the case.  One and one with a friend, friend was very passionate that Zimmerman was in the wrong.  West asks, "what did he tell you that Zimmerman had done?"  Vague answer from prospect, beyond saying his friend said "he shot the kid."  Did you believe your friend?  No.  He's a close friend, but didn't take his opinion seriously.  How about the other friend?  This is a laid back friend.  This friend's version was more like patrolling an area.  West asks if this friend gave any more detail about how it happened, but Zimmerman was right.  West asks "right because of self defense or some other reason?"  Prospect doesn't know.  Prospect says people have a right to shoo trespassers.  Prospect kept hearing "altercation, altercation, altercation" so, something happened, but (it seems to me) this prospect has no details in mind.

West wants to know what you believe based on what you heard?  Leaning if this is self defense or not?  Objection, improper question.  Sustained.  West conference with jury consultant.  Anything else you remember that you haven't told us?  One brief area - West knows he works at schools.  Any events at schools connected with this case?  Any connection with students on this case?  No, students are talking about girls and parties.

13:41 sidebar.

I won't be able to pick up the next prospect.

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #81 on: June 12, 2013, 12:29:41 PM »
Mark O'Mara is questioning a woman. She has heard the 911 call by the witness. She was shocked "this woman went through this." "She heard someone get killed."

She heard about the photos depicting one of the two being larger.

She heard about the conversation Trayvon Martin had with his girlfriend. She doesn't remember details other than he seemed to be speaking with her right up to the point of the actual encounter and "so that was interesting."

She hasn't watched the pre-trial proceedings.


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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #82 on: June 12, 2013, 12:35:04 PM »
O'Mara consults with Hirschhorn and has some more questions.

She says she will only decide based on evidence in the courtroom.

He's done, sidebar. No obvious disagreement, I assume she's passed (although I didn't hear the beginning of the questions.)

Juror B-87 is now up. BDLR starts. Male. BDLR confirms the questioning is limited to exposure to media. 

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #83 on: June 12, 2013, 12:39:20 PM »
He followed the case less as it progressed.
He watched local coverage, doesn't recall if watched national coverage. If he did it would have to have been on Fox or ABC.
He read media opinions on the case.
He can't answer if the reporting was slanted.
There was so much information he couldn't pinpoint any local commentator or newsperson he was following. He watches the news every day and just happened to see it.
He followed a few court proceedings. He doesn't recall if they were live, probably not, he's usually at work. He doesn't have time at work to use the computer.



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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #84 on: June 12, 2013, 12:44:35 PM »
He formed an opinion, it would be hard not to. But he would put what he heard aside. He doubts anyone who says they don't have an opinion . The opinion he formed was fairly early on, it changed a little, but fairly consistent. He doesn't want to share that opinion. He says his early impressions were it's a tragedy "either way." Now keeps saying he doesn't have enough information.

Sounded like a struggle happened, he doesn't know what led up to it.

Really backtracking to avoid giving the opinion he said he formed.

Bernie can't get him to give up what opinion he formed. Or how it changed somewhat.

Only answering in generalities. Really playing dodgeball.


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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #85 on: June 12, 2013, 12:47:21 PM »
Now says he wasn't fully leaning to one side or the other.
He doesn't know if anyone was a witness.
Heard some recordings one time. Thinks it was the 911 call.
Doesn't remember what the call was about, he thinks at the point it got so over-exposed he stopped paying attention.

Photographs: Saw photo of GZ after the shooting. He had some scratches or something from the struggle. On his face or head. What was your impression? There was a struggle. He didn't form any impression, "It all depends on what led up to the struggle."

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #86 on: June 12, 2013, 12:52:24 PM »
Doesn't remember watching anyone involved in the case.
Did not do his own research. He's not someone who fixates on a case.
No discussions with people at work.
No discussions with friends.
Hasn't really talked to anyone about the case other than conversations when it first happened.

People had opinions, but he didn't have in depth conversations with them.
He's heard opinions on both sides. He would have told them he didn't have any strong opinions.

Acknowledges he had an opinion as to what may have happened. "What is that opinion?"

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"I know that he was walking through neighborhood late at night, he was a security guard, he may have reported, he was told to not follow I think, obviously that didn't happen. He maybe thought he was doing the right thing by following but obviously that didn't work out and it turned into a tragedy."

Continues to be evasive.
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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #87 on: June 12, 2013, 01:02:25 PM »
It would be difficult to serve, he has a few kids for whom he shares responsibility and has a full-time job. Kids are 6 and 10.

If he's sequestered for six weeks he'd be nervous about what his position would be when he got back. Not that he'd lose his job, but what position he'd be in.

Now sounds like he doesn't want to serve. Although says not insurmountable.

Not into Twitter, he does a little FB with family, and that's it. His wife  uses it.

Only accesses FB on his phone, not laptop, and doesn't think there's FB news on it.
He rarely uses his laptop, mostly uses his phone.

West is up.

Coverage has been over-saturated. News takes some of these cases and turns them into entertainment.

He can't trust what the media says word for word.
Asks him to be more specific about the opinion he formed.
He's sure the struggle went both ways, one person was struggling with the other person.

Does he believe both were aggressive with each other? Possibly, he hasn't heard the whole story.

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #88 on: June 12, 2013, 01:07:41 PM »
He doesn't have strong views one way or the other. Didn't think about the case every day before now.

Has no opinion on who started it. He wasn't there. He doesn't know who walked up to who or when they came face to face.

He heard GZ followed Martin after being told not to.

He doesn't know who tracked down who but at one time they got face to face. It didn't happen miles away from each other. Again mentions the word "tragedy."

He may have followed him according to what he heard. What distance he has no idea.

Does he think GZ did something wrong? Not necessarily, I really couldn't say.

At one point in time, they got close. I don't know how close. Mentions one person turning around. Mentions security guard again.

He believes GZ was a security guard. He's sure some of the stuff he heard was not factual.

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Re: Live Updates Day 3, June 12, 2013
« Reply #89 on: June 12, 2013, 01:13:29 PM »
Mentions again it was a tragedy.

He doesn't recall if he heard in the news that the 911 call included someone screaming.

He didn't follow the news once he got the summons.

He doesn't read the Orlando Sentinel or subscribe to any newspapers. He just gets a few channels. His TV has an antenna.

West says what is throwing them off is that on the questionnaire when he was asked about whether he had formed an opinion as to GZ's guilt or innocence, he said he had formed an opinion.

Insists he doesn't have an opinion one way or the other.

Repeats he hasn't had conversations at work. He just told his employer he had got a summons. Hasn't talked to his family. He talks to his mother every day  on the way home from work but he doesn't even know if she knows he's here.
 
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