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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2013, 08:27:16 AM »
E-57 says race played a part in the case by getting people riled up.

People at school said nobody cared because TM was black. E-75's friends didn't think that, minorities did.

Bernie objects to repetitious questions.

West objects to objections.

Nelson said she won't tell lawyers not to object.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2013, 08:28:13 AM »
E-75 doesn't personally feel that there is a racial component to the case. Others do feel that way.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2013, 08:31:48 AM »
E-75 isn't aware of any web sites devoted to one side or the other.

E-75 doesn't think of anything else that would influence him.

E-7 lives with his parents.

His parents are neutral.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2013, 08:33:02 AM »
E-75 is wearing a shirt advertising a company called Obey. West says he may want to wear a jacket next time.

ETA: It's the company that makes the shirt.
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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #64 on: June 13, 2013, 08:33:30 AM »
Sidebar. Talking heads on WFTV 9.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2013, 08:37:34 AM »
E-81.

Bernie up.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2013, 08:39:25 AM »
Woman.

She has formed an opinion, could set it aside.

Her opinion was that GZ was innocent.

She is open to evidence.

More than leaning. She believes GZ is innocent.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #67 on: June 13, 2013, 08:42:39 AM »
She got her info from papers and TV.

She knows GZ had injuries, TM wasn't beat up like that. TM was training to be a street fighter. She thinks that because of pictures she has seen.

Talking about stills from 'fight club' video. Bernie asks who told her it was TM in the pics. It was someone on TV.

She has seen Mark Nejame being interviewed. Doesn't recall if it was he or not, a newscaster or someone being interviewed.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2013, 08:45:19 AM »
E-81 saw pictures of blood on GZ's collar and shirt. Thinks it was photograph. Doesn't recall when.

She was aware TM had been smoking MJ. Doesn't recall if it was TV or papers. She saw pictures of TM from phone, smoking and the gun.

Things were escalating for that young man in a bad way.

She doesn't know if TM carried a gun, or if he was holding the gun in the picture.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2013, 08:47:18 AM »
E-81 thought TM was looking for someone to fight. GZ was just watching for people who were suspicious. TM could have been high.

She doesn't think TM had a gun that night. People would know if he did.

She doesn't know if GZ confronted TM. Could have been the other way round.

She didn't know GZ.


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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2013, 08:48:26 AM »
E-81 hasn't seen anything to make her think GZ is guilty.

She watched court hearings after she got juror summons. She isn't a person who usually follows legal cases.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2013, 08:50:39 AM »
E-81 thought right away that GZ was innocent. She'll think that way until she sees evidence to change her mind.

When people find out that things they believed aren't true, they don't erase them from their minds.

Her mind is made up unless she sees new evidence.


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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2013, 08:52:03 AM »
E-81 knows TM's mother loved him a lot, his father wasn't there. His mother took him skiing and horse riding.

She thinks he wouldn't have been led astray if his father had been more involved.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2013, 08:52:51 AM »
She formed her opinion because she heard mother had recent pictures of TM, father didn't.
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Re: Live Updates, Day Four, June 13, 2013
« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2013, 08:56:48 AM »
This prospective juror is Bernardo's worst nightmare.  She says maybe Martin confronted Zimmerman.  She's very comfortable and articulate in expressing her opinions.

She watched some court proceedings, after she got the summons.

Bernardo says "people usually stick with their first opinions" she rebuts, "unless there is evidence."

She thinks that Sybrina spent a lot of time with Martin, but Tracy did not.  She thinks if a male figure had been with Martin on a regular basis, martin might not have been led astray.  Bernardo wants to know how she figures out that Tracy wasn't around.  From collection of pictures, father had no pictures, mother produced all the pictures.

She doesn't want to be on the jury.  No matter the outcome, somebody is going to be unhappy, and she would walk out of the proceeding with a bullseye on her back.

Edit to fix my chronic semi-colon for apostrophe typo, and to say that I just had to remark on hearing this juror.  I don't plan to keep taking notes, but this juror made a strong impression on my mind.  Sidebar over some objection, I presume, from Bernardo's follow up question being on RKBA issues, that was raised over moving onto the gun subject.  She likes knowing that there are people around with weapons.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2013, 09:03:21 AM by cboldt »

 

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