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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #90 on: June 14, 2013, 11:02:56 AM »
He doesn't like protests because they're irrelevant, and because they are irrelevant, they are nothing something to hold against anyone.

I guess I got confused between 'nothing' and 'not something'. Anyway, that's what I meant. G-63 said protests are not something to hold against anyone.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #91 on: June 14, 2013, 11:05:11 AM »
I'm done for the day, and the week.

TGIF! (And me an agnostic.)


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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #92 on: June 14, 2013, 11:22:43 AM »
Thanks for the work, nmnm. Have a great Father's Day weekend.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #93 on: June 14, 2013, 12:09:14 PM »
Bernie is questioning a woman, I didn't get her number. She doesn't do computer searches. Didn't have an opinion about whether George or Shellie should have been arrested. He uses "great country." Asks about sequestration and whether it would be an insurmountable hardship. She says it would not.  Says she is an up front person. She laughs a lot.

She is new to Sanford area and thought the demonstrations were disruptive to traffic. She knew the demonstrations were by TM supports. She wouldn't hold them against the state or either side.
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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #94 on: June 14, 2013, 12:11:56 PM »
Thank you to everyone who contributes to the live updates.  It's very much appreciated, even when I can watch, to get your various takes on the proceedings as well as to pick up something in your recaps that I may have missed.  Well done, all!

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #95 on: June 14, 2013, 12:12:14 PM »
Back in session. Female from Chicago up with BDLR. Unknown number.
 
G-65 according to Legal Insurrection.

Saw photo of Zimmerman's injuries and heard about Shellie's arrest. Felt sorry. Could be impartial. No sequester hardship. Has not formed an opinion on guilt of innocence. Saw demonstrations, thought they were disrupting traffic. Lived in area a short time. Attributed them to Martin supporters.
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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #96 on: June 14, 2013, 12:14:55 PM »
West is up. She's retired and has been since moving to the area.
The first thing she does in the morning is turn on the news. She answers with a very emphatic "Yes Sir" when he asks if she's just someone who pays attention to the news.

Watches channel 13.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #97 on: June 14, 2013, 12:33:58 PM »
G-66 and West:

Mainly watches local news from Channels 13 and 6 and watches CNN from time-to-time. Does not watch AC360. Hasn't watched programs designed around this case. Has not watched hearings. Estimates 12 times she's seen something about the case. Very tentative in that estimate. Only when it catches her attention. Watches a lot of Barney with her grandchild.

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Has seen picture of George Zimmerman with head injuries. Has heard about Trayvon's background. Seventeen, from Miami, came to live with father, mother was having trouble, heard about pictures on phone from news. Didn't know if Martin was visiting or living in Sanford.

Feels like she could set aside knowledge in considering guilt.

Nothing really "sticks out" about Zimmerman in regards to this case. Same for Martin other than what was already mentioned.

Back on demonstrations. Her impressions was that they were protesting the delay in arresting Zimmerman. Really had no opinion. Doesn't know details - the law would take care of itself. Has no opinion if Zimmerman would be arrested. Has no opinion if SPD should have arrested him. Felt like the police had more details than she did and assumed they were acting on that knowledge. Doesn't want to make up mind with limited information.

Felt the tension was due to white/black divide. Nothing that made her feel it was a race-based event. Heard that Zimmerman was claiming self-defense. Nothing really led her to make up her mind about the issue. Would be able to make decision based solely on evidence presented in court.

Attended no rallies. No discussion at church. No social media comments or discussions.

Heard the 911 recording with gunshot. Recalls W11's frantic demeanor on call. Heard yelling, sounded like someone needing help. Did not form opinion who it was other than Martin or Zimmerman. Has not formed opinion about which one it was. Not aware of voice expert decisions.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #98 on: June 14, 2013, 12:38:29 PM »
Last candidate was G-66.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #99 on: June 14, 2013, 12:55:51 PM »
G-81 with BDLR:

G-81 is black male. Gets information from Channel 9, MSNBC, CNN and Fox News. Favors MSNBC. Saw stories on Yahoo News. No internet searches. More attention as near the beginning then lately as more attention.

BDLR left-handedly uses "addiction" to describe people who pay close attention to this case.

Saw photographs of deceased and defendant and the area of the event. Photograph of mug shot of Zimmerman in orange jumpsuit. Saw red-shirt picture of Martin. No impression other than that.

Felt like Gov. Scott. He assumed that the Gov. Scott thought the local DA had dropped the ball on the case. Would not hold that against state or Zimemrman. Bernie's in full rehab mode.

Does not think media is accurate. Media first had bias against Zimmerman and then later against Martin. Had no opinion. Until all the evidence comes out, he does not form opinion.

Friends and family talked about opinions. Claims family had mixed opinions. Some thought the shooting was tragic. Others thought it was typical.

Aware of rallies but did not attend. Prompted by BDLR, thought it was free speech. Thought it was mixed outsiders and people from Sanford. People demonstrate when they felt like there was an injustice throughout history.

Had conversations about where incident happened. Told people that opinions come from perspective and that not all facts are known.

No sequester hardship.

Doesn't use Twitter. Never viewed comments on the case. He says they are often mean-spirited. Can't remember commenting "to his knowledge." BDLR is certain to remind candidate that they are sometime anonymous.

Has not formed opinion. No evidence except for courtroom. Can comply. Prompted by BDLR, not seeking fame.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #100 on: June 14, 2013, 01:16:57 PM »
O'Mara is questioning. Juror brings up stand your ground law. He is an African American middle aged male. Does not use Twitter.

In case no one has mentioned it, Juror E7 was back watching the proceedings today and escorted out of the courtroom by deputies for being confronatational according to news reports. ClickOrlando reports: "Dismissed juror was being confrontational with media and may have wanted to confront defense about its uncovering his posting, according to a Local 6 producer."  He was not arrested, just escorted to his van. (Please discuss this in comments.)

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #101 on: June 14, 2013, 01:27:43 PM »
G-81 with MOM:

Recaps news stations. Watches Channel 9 in the morning. No particular programs on CNN. Watched the Ed Show on MSNBC and O'Reilly on FNC. Saw one program on Zimmerman.

Saw coverage on Yahoo search bar.

What stood out was the incident itself, SYG coverage and the rallies.

Saw stories about the altercation and the SYG controversy. Thought the stories discussed the fact that the shooting might be wrongly justified under SYG. Gut reaction was that is was a tragedy. Someone lost a life and someone would have to endure media and possible trial.

First heard about rallies from MSNBC. First reaction that people thought an injustice was done and people were speaking out about that injustice. He once again asserts he was on the fence. Recalls Rev. Al Sharpton's relationship with rallies. Watched the reverend's show during elections. Thinks that AS thought this was an injustice done to Trayvon and there should be, at minimum a trial.

Hope Zimmerman's research team is taking notes.

Most of family is out-of-town. Discussed what was happening in Sanford. He is from Miami area. Family doesn't have plans to attend trial. Family thinks it sad that young man lost his life and sad that a media circus ensued.

Thought that a black man being shot by a non-black raised issues. First attributed that opinion to him and his family then walks it back to his family alone. Took family to park across street from incident. Lives close to area, within 1/2 mile.

Says family doesn't attach fault, just thinks it tragic that "someone close to them" got shot. He attributes this to race as well as other factors.

Thinks racial divide was exposed by incident instead of media created. Thinks the media portrayed blacks in Sanford as untrustworthy of other races.

Works in education.

On to photos. Saw Martin in red Hollister shirt, smiling. Says Martins seems 14 or 15 in photo.

Saw Zimmerman "mugshot" in orange jumper. Has not seen other images of Zimmerman.

Early on he saw a video of the grounds where the altercation and shooting took place. Does not remember if Zimmerman was in that video.

Thinks people bring their own perspective to color perceptions of events. Lived enough to know that when a person lost his life it is tragic. Changes your life.

Ever since the time of slavery and Jim Crow are killed at a much higher rate than others. It is typical that African-American loses life through violence.

Does not use Twitter. Uses Facebook with brother and sister. Never posted about case on Facebook. Never read blogs about Zimmerman. No social clubs or organizations that have talked about incident.

"The media reacted because something big happened." The even was Feb. 26, did not hear about it until March. The fact that the news media covered this story but the killings in Chicago were unreported makes this case different than other stories in the black community. At first it was portrayed by media as different in the fact that Zimmerman wasn't arrested.

Expresses no concern about Zimmerman's involvement in NW program. Expresses no concern about Martin's background.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #102 on: June 14, 2013, 01:28:51 PM »
O'Mara says he's done and then asks whether anything he's heard O'Mara or Bernie say in the media stood out to him. Juror answers "no." Sidebar.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #103 on: June 14, 2013, 01:29:46 PM »
G-87 is up.

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Re: Live Updates, Day Five, June 14, 2013
« Reply #104 on: June 14, 2013, 01:30:47 PM »
Cylinder, I have to get back to work. If you can continue, please do!

 

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