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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #90 on: June 18, 2013, 12:37:30 PM »
I-19 and West:

Was able to move shifts around. Missed 2-3 days of work. Paid hourly. Doesn't get financial help. Missed pay would prevent bills being paid. West seems to be either helping her with hardship claim or trying to ingratiate himself with juror. Asked employer, would not be paid to be here. Could ask owner. Lack of pay would be extreme hardship. It would be very unfortunate if that occurred. Mom wouldn't be able to cover bills. Could ask grandparents who are retired but they are limited resources. Could not do it on her own and doesn't know if she could get help. Could find out tomorrow.

Avoids listening to news. Has other things she'd rather be doing. Doesn't have free time. Has Channel 13 but never watched. Has cable. Doesn't use internet to read news. Doesn't talk to 16-year-old brother about incident. Never discussed incident with mom. Mom said "a boy was shot but not much more than that." Knew nothing about it when mentioned by mom. Doesn't know why mom mentioned it. No discussion of community reaction. She knew that there was a community reaction, walks, etc...

Heard of march to honor deceased. Doesn't know where events took place. Feels like demonstrations "took that side." They probably "die-hard think he did it." Mom never pointed out marches. Brother has probably even less interest in news than she. Never had conversations at social organizations, etc...

Back to boss. Mom knew that jury summons was probably for Zimmerman case. She didn't like it because it would call her to miss work. Mom didn't really comment because her mom knows she doesn't follow news. Mother does not want her to serve. Mom is concerned about financial status. Mom "would have to get over it" if she had to pay some of daughter's bills. She will ask but suspects the answer will be "not good."

It was sad that Martin died but no emotional attachment. Nothing really about Zimmerman except for West asserting it might be sad if Zimmerman was not guilty. State objects. Thought Zimmerman would be going to jail, was surprised to learn it was still going on. Has no idea if Zimmerman was justified or not. Never really stopped to think it through. Still has an impression that Zimmerman may have done something wrong.

Never attended marches, walks, memorials or services. Never saw press conferences by any party. Never discussed these with mother. Mother never did anything to show support for Martin like give money or attend services.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #91 on: June 18, 2013, 12:37:57 PM »
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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #92 on: June 18, 2013, 12:38:52 PM »
West questioning the march and the walk, honoring the deceased.  She says "they" were honoring the deceased.  She states "they" are the supporters of that side.  She did have an understanding that this was a big deal in the community.  She assumes there were other marches elsewhere (out of Sandford).  Her understanding of "they" who marched, are the die-hard supporters of that side (Trayvon's side... added by me).  Never discussed with brother...he pays less attention to the news than her.  Was not important that the incident happened in Sanford (her home town).  Now discussing her boss (the operations manager where she works).  She had told her boss that she had jury duty.  The potential juror never thought that she might be a juror for the Zimmerman case, but her mom told her that she might be on the Zimmerman case.  She then conveyed this to her boss.  However, as she has NEVER been interested in the case, it was not a big deal to her.  Also, her mother wants her to get out of jury duty because her mother is worried that the potential juror won't be able to work.  More discussion about whether, in light of this, her mom would pay her bills?  The potential juror will ask, but thinks it is unlikely.  Asked about initial impressions. Answers that it was sad that Trayvon died, but she had no emotional attachments.  Asked about her initial reaction to Zimmerman.... initially she just assumed that Zimmerman killed Martin and that Zimmerman was going to jail.  She really didn't think it was still going on (the case).  Her initial reaction was that Zimmerman had done something wrong.  She never really changed her mind because she didn't know much about the case nor did she care, but based on what she knows, she still feels Zimmerman did something wrong.  She never attended a service, any of the walks or marches, nor did she visit the memorial.  Mom never did either, never donated money, nor did she express that she was for one "side" or another.  Break for West (fyi, there were some objections that I missed... one was sustained, the other overruled).  West is done, and Judge Nelson has requested that council approach the bench.  Apologies for any typos...

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2013, 12:39:00 PM »
Great work, cashmere. I love how TL forums attract the high-information users.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2013, 12:40:12 PM »
Thanks!  Still at the bench..

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2013, 12:46:26 PM »
Next potential juror coming in.  This will be juror I24.  Juror is female (likely middle aged or older).  Bernie is calling her ma'am.  She has not formed an opinion to guilt/innocence.  TV is her source of info re: case, mostly local, a little bit of all of the stations, but likely FOX she watched the most.  Paid a lot of attention in the beginning (when it first happened...), then less, and then paid little attention at all.  She doesn't read the paper, TV is her source.  She remembers a young man was shot and killed in a subdivision.  Someone was patrolling that subdivision.  That is primarily what she first recalls.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #96 on: June 18, 2013, 12:59:34 PM »
Cont... Bernie still questioning.  She then only followed the case when she had time (she works).  She did not follow any court proceedings.  She states that she recalls hearing initially that a young man was shot, that Zimmerman had no injuries, then later, heard that he DID sustain injuries.  Saw a picture of the back of Zimmerman's head, bruising, and something on his nose.  This was last year, not recently.  She formed the opinion that the media makes up a lot of stories.  She understands that to be a juror, she has to put aside anything she has already seen or heard re: the case.  Asked about recordings, she doesn't recall any recordings, videos, or events in the courtroom.  She has discussed the case with co-workers.  She has spoken to about 2-4 people and they discussed whether Zimmerman was guilty or innocent.  They all thought Zimmerman was guilty.  The potential juror stated to co-workers that there was likely a lot that they don't know about the case.  She has not formed an opinion.  She describes being at work and there is a television at the office that is occasionally on.  When co-workers would see Zimmerman, she remembers hearing something to the effect of " Oh he's gotta be guilty".  She again stated that she said there was not enough info to form an opinion.  She has not discussed the case with family.  She has seen news reports re: the case while watching TV with family, but no discussion.  She is on facebook once in a blue moon (her children get her on).  No discussion with her kids about the case, they are too interested in their own lives.  Asked by Bernie what she would say to an out-of-town visitor about the case.  She would tell them a young man list his life and another man is fighting for his life.  Bernie pressed again and she said she would tell the visitor that Zimmerman shot a young man and about the media reports about Zimmerman's need to defend himself.  She knows Martin was shot,  she knows Zimmerman found Martin suspicious.  This is from what the media says... sorry - I had to take a break and missed some stuff.     She is stating she knows the young man went to the store to get a drink.  She doesn't know what store.  She remembers that Zimmerman was involved in a neighborhood watch.  Doesn't recall anything else.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #97 on: June 18, 2013, 01:13:37 PM »
Bernie asking about community reaction.  She remembers Trayvon's parents were upset.  She understands that any parent would feel that way, losing a child (stated with emotion), but it did not form her opinion of Zimmerman's guilt one way or the other.  She likes to watch the news.  She enjoys listening "halfway" to the news.  She does not believe the news always gets it right...  she thinks the news is interested in what sells. Now asking about hardship.  Her children are all grown, the trial would not be a hardship for her.  She can be sequestered, prefers not to, but not an insurmountable hardship.  Bernie asking about her staing earlier that she stated Zimmerman found Martin suspicious.  Bernie asking if this was from the media or her opinion...  she states not her opinion, but from the media.

Bernie done, O'Mara up.  O'Mara asking if she understands why she is being questioned.  She states yes, so that Mr. Zimmerman can have a fair trial.  Missed a bit for a few mins..


O'Mara asking what she would rely on... the media (her memories) or what she will hear from the courtroom.  She says the courtroom.  What she states that she feels that what is presented by the media is not always right because they report whatever they first hear themselves and do a great injustice at times.  She is going into more details about how Trayvon was reported by the media.  She is discussing how Trayvon was first portrayed as completely innocent, and now things have come out which imply he was not perfect... she states that He (Martin) was a 17 year old kid.. of course he wasn't perfect.  O'Mara asks about other things she heard from the media in this case that later turned out to be possibly false, and she answers re: Zimmerman's injuries.  O'Mara asks again if she can leave the media reports at the door and just consider evidence presented in the courtroom.. she says yes.  Asked about her media-watching habits.  Not in the morning, listens while cooking dinner, FOX, ABC, NBC, CNN. MSNBC, all of them.  I think O'Mara asked about media bias and she replied no...  but I missed some of it.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #98 on: June 18, 2013, 01:16:29 PM »
Asked about great length conversations about the case with others.  She answers, in great length, none, in passing, 2 or 3 times.  Asked what her memory is about this today...  she states a young man lost his life, another man is fighting for his life, and no one is a winner.  Asked about social conflicts in the case.  She answers that Trayvon was African American, Zimmerman is Peruvian (she thinks), and that can be a conflict.  Asked if these social conflicts will impact her, she answers no.  O'Mara done, Council approaching the bench.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #99 on: June 18, 2013, 01:18:15 PM »
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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #100 on: June 18, 2013, 01:31:40 PM »
Cashmere, thanks for joining in. Thank you Cylinder. It's great of you to do this. I really appreciate being able to read what happened in these threads on days I'm too busy at work to tune in.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #101 on: June 18, 2013, 01:35:47 PM »
Hi -- They are starting but I have to leave :(

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #102 on: June 18, 2013, 01:54:53 PM »
I-33 is a male. Has compassion for Martin and Zimmerman. "The more I heard the less I wanted to hear." Recalls that there was a fight and someone got shot. Takes OS newspaper. Recalls 911 call with screaming. Recalls controversy about who was screaming. Has no formed opinion about guilt or innocence or the importance of recorded 911 call. Don't remember any details about past court proceedings.

Knew that June 10th summons probably meant Zimmerman trial. Recall discussions about protests mainly in media. Have no opinion about coverage being biased to any side.  Recalls commentary about case. Heard it everywhere. "Walking down the street." Felt like commentary was balanced concerning guilt. Never really expressed an opinion about guilt.

Felt like community reaction went both ways. Felt like there was possibly an overreaction. "Heavy talk going both ways." Feels like free speech is pretty broad"Free speech is free speech." Doesn't use this as basis for opinion.

Facebook-challenged. Currently unemployed.

BDLR relates that sequestration is Q5 and is on second page of questionnaire.

No insurmountable sequestration hardship.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #103 on: June 18, 2013, 02:07:51 PM »
I-33 and West:

Watches local news. Maybe Fox affiliate. Has DirectTV, not cable. Doesn't have Channel 13 which is Brighthouse. Not active in social media.

Doesn't recall attorney comments. Seen where people were getting interviewed on TV. Other than remembering seeing them, doesn't recall content. Nothing that he can think of that resonated with him.

Never discussed case in social organization.

Contractor/project manager injured in car wreck and unable to work.

Recalls 911 screams, heard a little about the controversy regarding who was screaming. "They were trying to figure out who was doing the screaming, that's about all I know." Doesn't have a clue as to who was screaming.

Recalls community reaction that caused the police chief to vacate his job. "That's about all I know about it." Hasn't formed an opinion about why he lost his job.

Acquaintances have expressed opinions on both sides of fence. Candidate lives in rural area. Doesn't think he's had enough exposure to form opinion. Sort of goes in one ear and out the other. Diligent about admonishment. Family knows to turn TV if case comes up and friends have been told not to discuss case with him.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 7, June 18, 2013
« Reply #104 on: June 18, 2013, 02:10:55 PM »
Juror I-44. BDLR up.

 

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