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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2013, 09:17:28 AM »
Another juror, male, compares witnesses and used car dealers.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #61 on: June 20, 2013, 09:21:47 AM »
O'Mara talking about sympathy having no role in verdict.

B-72 believes in being stoic. Emotions are weak.

Q: Isn't it normal to feel sympathy for another's loss?

B-72: Not for him, because he hasn't experienced such loss.

B-76: Sympathy is normal emotion, natural instinct. Sometimes you have to ignore that to make objective decision. She has dealt with tenants, had to put sympathy aside for the sake of the goal she wanted to accomplish.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #62 on: June 20, 2013, 09:24:20 AM »
K-80: Sympathy is human emotion. Emotions are natural. Some are more emotional than others. Jurors participate in something larger than themselves, have to put sympathy aside in favor of character and integrity.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #63 on: June 20, 2013, 09:26:35 AM »
O'Mara gets a juror to admit they would take the law into their own hands.  They would rescue a child being harmed.  Another juror says circumstances may justify.  K-95 talks about bystander effect, people not wanting to get involved.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #64 on: June 20, 2013, 09:30:30 AM »
Yesterday Bernie got the jurors to agree that it's wrong to take the law into one's own hands. O'Mara and jurors are exploring whether it's more complicated than that.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2013, 09:35:11 AM »
O'Mara talking about self-defense, reciting jury instruction from memory.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2013, 09:39:11 AM »
B-86: Does law provide any clarification on what is reasonable?

O'Mara reads more of the instructions.

Bernie objects, didn't read whole thing.

Nelson says she prefers to read the instructions, rather than any lawyer.

Sidebar.

ETA: I left out a bit. Nelson started to read the instructions. I guess she was interrupted by someone I didn't hear. She said she was going to read the whole instruction. I think it was then the sidebar was called.
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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #67 on: June 20, 2013, 09:41:24 AM »
Nelson reading instruction.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2013, 09:43:12 AM »
O'Mara put an aggravated battery definition in the use of force instruction. Does not include an aggressor instruction.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #69 on: June 20, 2013, 09:45:37 AM »
B-86: That clarifies it a bit. Can something be reasonable for one person but not another? Nelson says those are the kinds of things the jurors will have to work out among themselves.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2013, 09:46:40 AM »
O'Mara put an aggravated battery definition in the use of force instruction. Does not include an aggressor instruction.

The aggressor part has to come at the prosecutor's motion, and has to be supported with evidence that Zimmerman -first- threatened or used force.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #71 on: June 20, 2013, 09:50:35 AM »
O'Mara talking about duty to retreat. SYG is shorthand for no duty to retreat.

H-6: Never thought much about the law itself. Thinks it must have been put there for a reason.

O'Mara asks if H-6 agrees with SYG. He does.

6 people have concerns about SYG.

E-7: He opposed this change in law.

B-76: Not sure she understands the retreat concept.

Nelson calls sidebar.

ETA: Clarifying, O'Mara was starting to answer B-76 when Nelson called the sidebar.

Nelson telling jurors they are finders of fact. The court will instruct them in the law. The roles do not overlap.
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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #72 on: June 20, 2013, 09:55:17 AM »
B-7: He would hope that he can follow the law.

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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #73 on: June 20, 2013, 10:01:04 AM »
O'Mara working on the idea that the state has burden of disproving self-defense.

Bernie objected.

Lots of confusion.

Nelson reading instruction again.


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Re: Live Updates, Day 9, June 20
« Reply #74 on: June 20, 2013, 10:06:04 AM »
G-63: Is there a legal definition of forcible felony?

Nelson says she will not define terms beyond what is in the instructions. She went on to explain what other supports would be provided to jurors. I was typing, didn't follow it all.


 

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