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Offline nomatter_nevermind

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #90 on: June 29, 2013, 10:24:25 PM »
No thread for Diana Smith, the evidence collector? 

No one started a thread for her when she testified. Cylinder and I posted a few comments about her on the thread for Day 2 Trial Witnesses.

If anyone has something to say about her, I suggest starting a thread.
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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #91 on: June 29, 2013, 10:38:28 PM »
No one started a thread for her when she testified. Cylinder and I posted a few comments about her on the thread for Day 2 Trial Witnesses.

If anyone has something to say about her, I suggest starting a thread.

I just added a thread for her.

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #92 on: June 29, 2013, 11:07:57 PM »
Stacey Livingston, who took the can out of the pocket, reportedly told FDLE that she didn't recall the bag (82/284). I don't trust those interview summaries and their paraphrases. Does she not recall if there was a bag, or is that just their way of saying that she said there was no bag?

I don't know if Livingston was asked about that in her trial testimony. It's not in her thread.

If the can was in the bag when Livingston took it from Martin's pocket, she might have taken the can out or someone else might have. I doubt we will ever know who took the can out of the bag, let alone why it was done.

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #93 on: June 29, 2013, 11:25:37 PM »
She felt the crinkle of a bag while lifting Martin's shirt and after having removed the can from the center pocket. She did not remove the bag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt3sWKws-UY&feature=player_embedded

05:10

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #94 on: June 29, 2013, 11:29:10 PM »
She felt the crinkle of a bag while lifting Martin's shirt and after having removed the can from the center pocket. She did not remove the bag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt3sWKws-UY&feature=player_embedded

05:10

I thought she was referring to the bag of Skittles during that point.

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #95 on: June 29, 2013, 11:35:04 PM »
I thought she was referring to the bag of Skittles during that point.

Great point.

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #96 on: June 30, 2013, 03:06:23 AM »
Would a having the court's mike being bluetooth enabled and having  Jeantel wear a bluetototh
earpiece been of any help in understanding her?

You have just won the internets.

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #97 on: June 30, 2013, 03:08:07 AM »
Good thing he didn't carry one in a belt holster like I do when I'm working at night, eh?

Do you stand in front of the mirror and practice your quick draw?

Are you a card-carrying member of the National Reflector-Lamp Association?

How do we know that you're not a depraved non-emergency number caller?

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #98 on: June 30, 2013, 03:33:19 AM »
Surdyka saw two people on the ground at a distance of 80 feet or more, with no flashlight.

Wasn't that right about the time she was hearing all 3 gunshots?

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #99 on: June 30, 2013, 03:36:24 AM »
No thread for Diana Smith, the evidence collector?  Well I'll say it here.  Watermelon juice can in hoodie pocket and 711 bag found on ground between the Good and Lauer/Weinberg houses seems to be good for the defense.  Most probable explanation is Martin hurriedly put the can in his pocket, carelessly dropping the bag, because he needed to have both hands free for some reason.  Sounds good for closing defense argument.

He hurriedly took the can out of the bag and put it (the can) in his pocket instead of just cramming it all in there?

I guess some hurries are less hurried than others.

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #100 on: June 30, 2013, 03:48:05 AM »
The DEA has been hiring Ebonics to English translators so one could have been used for Rachel's testimony.

That article was in 2010 and I can say I haven't seen one in any of my cases. I discuss the case law on this and some examples here.

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #101 on: June 30, 2013, 06:00:29 AM »
She felt the crinkle of a bag while lifting Martin's shirt and after having removed the can from the center pocket. She did not remove the bag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt3sWKws-UY&feature=player_embedded

05:10
The crinkle part happened about 5:50.  Were the skittles in a different pocket than the can, or has there been no testimony on where the skittles were found?  If there was an attempt to put them in two different pockets, that might explain why the bag was dropped.  The location of the bag indicates to me that the transference of the can and skittles and the dropping of the bag happened around the time of the beginning of the confrontation at the T.

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #102 on: June 30, 2013, 06:14:28 AM »
Three reasons I prefer the happenstance theory of the Martin-Zimmerman meeting at the T over the lie in wait theory are:

1. The can in pocket with bag on ground indicates a sudden decision to stash the drink away when Zimmerman appeared a few feet in front of him.
2. Rachel's telling West that if Trayvon decided to do the confronting he would have told her he would call her back seemed to be a spontaneous statement from her and probably based on prior experience.  (West should have explored it though, instead of getting indignant and accusatory with her.)  So I think Martin just didn't have the time to hang up when Zimmerman suddenly appeared walking back to TTL.
3. If he was close enough to recognize Zimmerman going towards RVC, why didn't he confront him then?  Why would he lie in wait and hope Zimmerman might come back?

I thought he did ask her and it was objected to and sustained?

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #103 on: June 30, 2013, 06:16:47 AM »
Do you stand in front of the mirror and practice your quick draw?

Are you a card-carrying member of the National Reflector-Lamp Association?

How do we know that you're not a depraved non-emergency number caller?

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1.no
2.didn't know there was one, will request membership info post haste
3. you don't; i could be. does it change things between us?

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Re: Thoughts on Week One of Trial
« Reply #104 on: June 30, 2013, 07:54:39 AM »
Surdyka saw two people on the ground at a distance of 80 feet or more, with no flashlight.
The small amount of light illuminating the lawn, coming from Good's porch light, might have made her observation possible.  I think she could just barely see them. 

 

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