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Offline annoyedbeyond

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2013, 09:55:49 AM »
Nothing, other than appearing disjointed to the jury.  Well, that plus an unintentional discharge is very difficult to portray as an intentional act.

Of course, GZ has told everyone in sight that he shot TM and he did it because he was scared he was going to be killed. That kind of precludes the defense arguing it was an AD too.

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2013, 09:56:34 AM »
Said both sweatshirts were in contact with each other when bullet was fired.  Gun in contact with outer sweatshirt.  I think the idea is to refute defense theory that gun was lightly put against sweatshirt without pushing it into Martin's chest.

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2013, 10:02:54 AM »
O'Mara tried to get AS to say that the Kel Tec 9 is safe to carry loaded. She wouldn't say those words, but said it is safe unless the trigger is pulled.

AS believes LE usually carry pistols loaded. 

AS agrees that for LE, weapons are not much use if not ready to fire.

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2013, 10:05:29 AM »
AS said her finding is that the gun was in contact with the shirt, without distinction between light touching or pressing.

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2013, 10:08:16 AM »
12:06 PM

Guy on redirect.

He asked if the gun could be used to commit a murder. I think she had answered affirmatively before O'Mara got his objection out. Sustained.

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2013, 10:12:10 AM »
I took a break. O'Mara is on re-cross.

ETA: 12:12 PM

AS excused.

Nelson admonished jury, excused them at 12:13 PM.

Recess for lunch, 12:14 PM to 1:45 PM.

WFTV talking heads speculate two more witnesses, ME and Sybrina.

If the state is only going to have one voice witness, what was all the fuss during Nakasone's testimony about people listening in groups?
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Offline cboldt

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2013, 10:15:47 AM »
I took a break. O'Mara is on re-cross.

You didn't miss anything.  Court in recess until 1:45.  Jury is doing something different for lunch (probably expressed they are getting tired of the same box lunches every day).

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2013, 10:25:08 AM »
Already those on the anti Zimmerman side are resigned to the inevitable and have started to attack the prosecution.  This is typical of what I am seeing now on the Huffington Post.
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This particular prosecutor has no interest in purusing justice for Trayvon Martin and is simply going through the motions. Evidently, he does not wish to be there. There is a total lack of vigor on his part. He is about as useful as paramedics would have been for Trayvon the night Zimmerman hunted him down.

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2013, 10:30:58 AM »
Said both sweatshirts were in contact with each other when bullet was fired.  Gun in contact with outer sweatshirt.  I think the idea is to refute defense theory that gun was lightly put against sweatshirt without pushing it into Martin's chest.
Has it been noted somewhere whether or not the button went through both shirts?

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2013, 10:32:19 AM »
Already those on the anti Zimmerman side are resigned to the inevitable and have started to attack the prosecution.

This time they're right. It was a pitiful performance.

At least the jury won't take all the blame.

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2013, 10:34:35 AM »
Has it been noted somewhere whether or not the button went through both shirts?

Yes, Siewart talked about both shirts. I didn't think that was worth mentioning.

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2013, 10:36:31 AM »
Of course, GZ has told everyone in sight that he shot TM and he did it because he was scared he was going to be killed. That kind of precludes the defense arguing it was an AD too.

They are allowed alternative defenses.

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2013, 10:37:24 AM »
No one started a thread under Witnesses for this firearms person? 

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2013, 10:39:34 AM »
Yes, Siewart talked about both shirts. I didn't think that was worth mentioning.
Just to clarify-- she testified that both shirts were held together by the button TM was wearing?

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Re: Week 2, 3rd Day, 7/3/13
« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2013, 10:46:16 AM »
Just to clarify-- she testified that both shirts were held together by the button TM was wearing?

Sorry, I read that carelessly. You said button, not bullet.

No, I don't recall the button being mentioned since the start of the trial. I think CST Smith repeated the list of items collected from TM's person, so it would have been mentioned then, but I don't remember.

 

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