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Offline nomatter_nevermind

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2013, 10:57:41 AM »
Jeralyn posted this link on the main site.

Thank you.

I have to admit I wasn't reading carefully. I thought you were talking about the 911 call, even though you clearly said it was on one of the phone videos.

This might not be privileged, if Crump made such a public statement. But I don't think they can ask any witness anything about the video until (and unless) the video itself is admitted into evidence.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2013, 02:03:00 PM »
Comments claiming Robert Zimmerman Sr.'s phone records for 2/26 were subpoenaed have been deleted. The state subpoenaed Robert Zimmerman Jr.'s and Shellie Zimmerman's phone records for 2/26. They are in the 17th Suppl. Discovery filed June 3, 2013.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2013, 02:37:27 PM »
If I could, I would ask Tracy about the details of what he learned when speaking with Rachel Jeantel about the phone call with Trayvon before his death.  I don't believe he would have referred her to Crump if she said she heard nothing relating to the case.
Why? All they needed was for RJ to confirm her phone was connected to TM's at the right times, and to get her to agree to make a statement that would help get an arrest of GZ.

Everything they needed her to say, they already had in hand, ready to put in her mouth if she agreed to say she heard it.

Unfortunately for everyone, RJ thought signing the 3/19 "letter" (and being prepared to say she wrote it if asked) was sufficient to their needs.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2013, 02:48:23 PM »
did she kick Trayvon out of her house

Calling Brandy to ask why TM was staying with her when Tracy was away may get the answer.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2013, 11:10:11 PM »
They have been moving quickly through the voice ID witnesses. If the defense even calls any more voice witnesses, I expect the last one will be excused well before the day is over. Who will be up next?

My best guess is that the defense will call their firearm and self-defense experts, to support an argument that GZ's manner of carrying was correct and common.

I think they may also call the instructor for the firearms safety course that GZ took to qualify for his concealed carry permit (85-86/284). He would be a fact witness, so I don't think  they would have to pay him an expert's fee.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2013, 03:06:23 AM »
I was wrong. Monday was almost all voice witnesses.

Word from Twitter is that the defense says they will finish on Tuesday or early Wednesday.

Here's how I understand the expert lineup.

Dennis Root, self defense.

Shoemaker, who made the animation. I don't know what kind of expert he is, or if there is anything else for him to testify about if the animation is excluded. I haven't found a convincing source for the spelling of his name, but 'Shoemaker' is on Twitter. That is what it sounds like.

De Maio, pathology. Also unsure of spelling.

Richard Connor (Jeralyn thinks he will authenticate some phone data.)

Two whose names I don't know, firearms and toxicology.

The defense may also call Dr. Bruce Goldberger, the state's toxicologist.

Court convenes early on Tuesday, 8:30 AM. The animation will be discussed before the jury arrives. If the state's objections have not been satisfied, there may be a hearing.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2013, 03:56:01 AM »
I'm expecting something will be made of Donnelly being in the courtroom a number of days last week.

Days when the tape was played in full.

Also, doesn't him being in the courtroom violate the sequestration rule?

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2013, 03:08:54 PM »
I'm expecting something will be made of Donnelly being in the courtroom a number of days last week.

Days when the tape was played in full.

Also, doesn't him being in the courtroom violate the sequestration rule?

I think they are addressing it today.

It is not clear if he violated anything.
He may not have been put on the witness list until after he was in court,
if he was there.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2013, 03:14:03 PM »
I think they are addressing it today.

Tomorrow, Wednesday, the lawyers will come in before the jury to discuss Donnelly.

They are doing the animation now. After that, Conner proffer.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2013, 03:15:41 PM »
Oh thank you!

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2013, 03:21:04 PM »
 Diana Tennis @TennisLaw

Note the irony. The reason there is not enough evidence to fill in blanks of animation is because state didn't prove what happened.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2013, 02:20:38 AM »
I think they are addressing it today.

It is not clear if he violated anything.
He may not have been put on the witness list until after he was in court,
if he was there.
He was deposed in May; he was on the witness list before trial started.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2013, 05:24:32 AM »
Last night (Tuesday) O'Mara said something about Eloise Dilligard being his last witness. He may have just meant last for the day.

As I've mentioned, I think Mark Osterman did a good job defending concealed carry, in general and as practiced by GZ. But he's no substitute for an expert, as he conceded on cross. So I would think/hope that Dennis Root and the firearms expert are on deck for today.

I'm not clear on whether the defense ever had their own toxicology expert, or if they always intended to rely on Dr. Goldberger alone. Either way, I don't think it's likely that the defense will drop the whole toxicology matter, after working so hard to get it in.

I missed most of Tuesday's Conner proffer. It seems that at least three witnesses were named as receiving pertinent communications from TM's phone. I'm thinking they will be called to testify in person, as O'Mara suggested in one of the pre-trial hearings. I'm hoping Rachel Jeantel will be recalled as well.

I find it hard to believe the line-up I've suggested can be gotten through today. I'm thinking I've made some wrong guesses, or the defense isn't resting before Thursday.

Court convenes at 8:00 AM today, without the jury, to take up the alleged sequestration violation by defense witness John Donnelly. Judge Nelson may also rule on admitting the defense's animation and their evidence from TM's phone.

All of the above are my opinions.
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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2013, 06:06:02 AM »
I've just learned from Twitter that court will start at 9:00 AM today.

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Re: Week 3 Expectations on Defense Case
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2013, 06:31:41 AM »
I've just learned from Twitter that court will start at 9:00 AM today.

I learned that before midnight but couldn't post it here.

The court spokesman said JDN "changed her mind". LOL

 

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