Author Topic: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13  (Read 5037 times)

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2013, 01:05:15 PM »
AP: GZ is physically soft. Predominately fat, not a lot of muscle.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2013, 01:06:03 PM »
Mantei on cross.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2013, 01:06:44 PM »
AP: He doesn't know if GZ worked out anywhere else.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2013, 01:09:13 PM »
Zimmerman looked like he was in a state of (emotional) shock, a few days after the incident.  A look more than one gets from just losing a fight.

State objected to some question that has slipped my mind, other than it was about getting out from a hold by "shrimping"  - objection sustained.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2013, 01:09:22 PM »
AP: He wouldn't teach fighting strategy to someone who hasn't mastered basic skills.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2013, 01:09:50 PM »
Mantei pressing AP about the "most complete fight gym" motto, AP says that it used to be one of the only fight gyms with such an extensive set of facilities, things have changed so they don't use the motto anymore

Mantei asks if GZ had 16-20% body fat
AP says that he probably had more body fat than that

Mantei asks about "first blow advantage" in a fight.  Asks AP if he teaches all of his students that.

AP says no, not if they haven't grasped the fundamentals

Mantei asks if GZ could have overheard it

AP says possibly he could have heard something like that anywhere, at the gym, on tv doesn't mean anything for someone who is unskilled.

« Last Edit: July 08, 2013, 01:11:58 PM by redstripe »

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2013, 01:10:04 PM »
AP: A person can get cut rolling around on the ground.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2013, 01:11:08 PM »
Mantei remarks/asks AP if a 3 minute round can seem like an eternity (I think he may regret this later)

AP says a one minute round can seem like forever if you're not in shape

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2013, 01:11:53 PM »
AP said he saw GZ not long after shooting. After asking about his appearance, O'Mara asked about something GZ said.

Objection, hearsay, sidebar.

I suspect that what Zimmerman was asking was how, in hindsight, could he have broken out of being mounted.  The witness mentioned "shrimping" which is a means of throwing off a person who has mounted you.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2013, 01:14:05 PM »
AP: A person on his back on the ground cannot apply an armlock to someone mounted on him unless he is very skilled.

Q: Is GZ skilled enough to do that?

AP: Absolutely not.

Q: If he said he did that you wouldn't believe him?

AP: Right.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2013, 01:16:36 PM »
Mantei showing off his knowledge of MMA and boxing ::) asking about the weight of various gloves, how to work on punching techniques.

Mantei asks if beginners at his gym would have been working on all types of punches

AP says we start students out with jabs then we move them up if they become more skilled

AP says that GZ did not do grappling/striking sessions simultaneously, split up several weeks of striking several weeks of grappling

AP says that only a couple of times during the course of the year did GZ come in and do weight lifting by himself
AP says that GZ did 6 hours a week max working out at the gym usually less, sometimes he didn't show up at all.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2013, 01:18:37 PM »
O'Mara  asks about GZ's skills, athleticism again.  Revisits some of Manteis questions about GZ's fighting abilities.

AP says GZ was not an accomplished athlete in any sense of the word
« Last Edit: July 08, 2013, 01:23:34 PM by redstripe »

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2013, 01:20:00 PM »
AP: GZ was diligent, worked hard. He is not an athlete in any way, shape, or fashion.

O'Mara on cross, clarifying 'arm lock' as term of art.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2013, 01:20:22 PM »
Zimmerman was doing good with stretches and exercises.

Grabbing arms (by untrained people) is a reflex, not an armlock.

He was soft when he started in the gym,  He'd lost weight, but still had more body fat to lose, not a competitive athlete by any stretch.  Still consider him soft after his time at the gym.  Witness is excused.

15 minute recess before the next witness.

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Re: Adam Pollock, Owner of Kokopelli's Gym, 7/8/13
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2013, 01:22:07 PM »
Q: Would you still consider GZ 'soft'?

AP: Absolutely.

AP excused, 3:20 PM.

O'Mara asked for recess to organized his witness list.

Recess for 15 minutes.

 

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