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State's First Closing Argument
« on: July 11, 2013, 04:07:10 AM »
Here is a thread to discuss the state's initial closing argument to be made July 11, 2013.

Update: Here is a slideshow I made of some of the states' exhibits used in closing and some photos from the closing.

Graphics From State's Closing
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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2013, 11:44:25 AM »
De la Rionda starts at about 1:42.  Claims Martin is dead through no fault of his own, and that blame is assigned to Zimmerman on account of assumptions (hmmm, not ill will?) made by Zimmerman.

Zimmerman acted upon assumptions, and because of that, a 17 year old man is dead.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2013, 11:46:02 AM »
De la Rionda starts at about 1:42.  Claims Martin is dead through no fault of his own, and that blame is assigned to Zimmerman on account of assumptions (hmmm, not ill will?) made by Zimmerman.

Zimmerman acted upon assumptions, and because of that, a 17 year old man is dead.


An  hour ago they were trying to convince JDN it was child abuse.

Now we're back to "young boy".

I need to not watch this.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2013, 11:49:18 AM »
De la Rionda shows the jury a photo, and says this is one of the last photos taken of the young man (I wonder if this is the Hollister teeshirt picture --- just kidding).

Zimmerman didn't attempt CPR.  Zimmerman had a matter of fact tone when he asked Manalo to tell Shellie, I shot somebody (de la Rionda said Zimmerman's remark was that he had just killed somebody, but there is evidence that Zimmerman didn't know Martin was dead until hours later).

Getting into the events leading up - going months before the shooting.  I sense wannabe cop and building frustration story coming on.

I'm headed out to do some chores.  Won't be back before Bernardo is done.  He's so far not as animated as Guy was in opening.  I'll read to see if the show was entertaining enough to watch.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2013, 11:50:39 AM »
Said GZ Claimed not to realize TM was dead
did not attempt to render aid

He profiled him as a criminal and assumed he was up to no good and that is what led to his death

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2013, 11:52:07 AM »
What was TM's crime? He bought skittles and some kind of iced tea
Had $40.15
Wearing photo button
minding own business speaking to girl in Miami
But GZ decided victim up to no good

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2013, 11:53:09 AM »
BDLR told an outright lie stating George said "just tell her I KILLED him" just after stating George did not know he killed him. This is a deliberate attempt to misinform the jury on a crucial point.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2013, 11:53:39 AM »
he was going to watch a basketball game, he was on his way home

wearing a hoodie, last he heard that isn't against the law

He presumed something that was not true

Neighborhood watch: a respected thing we encourage people to do

Called non-emergency no, and then he followed him and tracked him.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2013, 11:54:48 AM »
He stepped over the line. Instead of waiting for police to do its job, he wanted to make sure TM didn't get out of the neighborhood. He was sick and tired of it. So he acted like what he wanted to be, a police officer.


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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2013, 11:56:35 AM »
He automatically assumed TM was a criminal and that's why we are here.

The defense will say what happened during the shooting. but you can't view it in a vacuum.

Who was more scared? The kid minding his open business being followed by a guy in a truck.

Rachel Jeantel: Maybe he's a sex pervert. It was TM that was scared.

TM can't come in to the courtroom and tell you how he's feeling.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2013, 11:57:41 AM »
He's was upset people got away. That's a good thing.

Driving to Target, calls police but then tracks the guy down. Gets out of the car.
Sees the victim, calls non-emergency: no crime right there.

Important to realize this is what led to TM being dead.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2013, 11:59:07 AM »
He had the right to bear arms. He had a concealed permit. Not violating any law.
Victim, 17, unarmed.
States respective sizes
What started this? Assumptions. Incorrect assumptions. On the part of one individual. Shows last photograph of Trayvon Martin.

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I find listening to BDLR....
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2013, 11:59:13 AM »
painful! :'(

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2013, 12:00:10 PM »
Muttered under his breath, that itself is ill-will and hatred.
He was verbalizing what he was thinking

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2013, 12:01:35 PM »
Prior calls to non-emergency. He was sick and tired of it. But the law doesn't allow you to take the law into your own hands.

The law talks about accountability and responsibility for your actions. Hold him accountable. That's what we're asking.

 

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