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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2013, 12:03:21 PM »
Law doesn't allow you to take it into your own hands.

Didn't give TM to tell him what he was doing

GZ said TM was circling his car. You have to decide if it's true. Assume it is true. Why does he get out of the car when he has something in his hand

Because he's going to take the law into his own hands. He's a wannabe cop.


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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2013, 12:06:05 PM »
Is it really self-defense?
Because he was wearing a hoodie or not walking fast enough.
Walking in the rain isn't against the law.
He had his hoodie on, it was raining on and off.
Going to talk about GZ's statements. We wanted to put in all the statements and give you the truth.

Not saying he intended to kill him, that would be first degree murder.

Why was it necessary for GZ to do what he did?

He kept denying he had followed him.
He said he didn't know name of the street. Only three streets, lived there four years.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2013, 12:07:49 PM »
Following him shows his guilt. Because his actions led to the death of TM.

Unfortunately, there's only one person left who knew what happened and GZ made sure he couldn't come in and tell you what happened. He silenced TM.

But his body speaks to you even in death and proves this defendant is lying about what happened.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2013, 12:08:48 PM »
Shows photo of hands with no blood.
GZ in an attempt to convince police it was self-defense, he had to exaggerate what happened.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2013, 12:10:04 PM »
This defendant has studied the law and he has all the bullet points of what's required.

Assumptions is the most important word he says.

Assumed TM was going to commit a burglary. Profiled him as a criminal.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2013, 12:11:57 PM »
Assumed he was a f*ing punk.

Assuming isn't against the law by itself.

Let's assume he believed TM might be committing a crime. He called the police. Right thing to do. When TM circled his car and asked what are you following me for? He didn't answer,didn't roll down window and ID himself, didn't explain himself. He had already determined he was a criminal.

He didn't wait in his car or for the police.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2013, 12:13:11 PM »
Moves on to weighing evidence. Inconsistent statement, and use your G-d given common sense.

He wanted to be a police officer. Applied in VA, didn't get in. Going to school, all that is good.

But you cannot take matters into your own hand.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2013, 12:16:06 PM »
Wants to talk about witnesses.

Takes a minute to thank jury for its time and service.

Wants to talk about how to arrive at a verdict.

How do you arrive at a verdict that is just and speaks the truth.

1. Rely on witnesses
2. Rely on the law Judge Nelson would read
3. Rely on your G-d given common sense.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2013, 12:18:23 PM »
Do you believe there's an innocent man sitting over there?
Do you believe he just over-reacted a little bit?
Do you believe this was just a fight that got out of hand.

Perhaps. But who started it? Who followed who? Who was the one who was armed.

Shows his timeline of phone calls with Rachel Jeantel and GZ's calls.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2013, 12:21:35 PM »
Phone records don't lie.
Rachel isn't the most sophisticated
Haitian descent
She's what? 18, 19?
Maybe her speech wasn't the best
She called me a bald headed dude.
But did she speak the truth?

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2013, 12:22:25 PM »
When Jeantel swore and used racist language it was merely "colorful" due to her being "unsophisticated and uneducated" but George swearing is criminal intent.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2013, 12:23:20 PM »
Do you disregard what she says because she's not very educated, Haitian, can't read cursive?

You decide.

Did what she say match up with the other evidence? I submit it did.

Isn't what she said TM said consistent with the evidence?

Is there any dispute GZ profiled (his word he says) TM?
Isn't that consistent with what GZ tells you?

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2013, 12:23:26 PM »
Has yet to say they actually proved anything.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2013, 12:24:34 PM »
God he's paraphrasing Martin Luther King Jr (and pathetically).

Witness judged on the content of her testimony and not the color of her personality.

I find that offensive, honestly.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2013, 12:26:48 PM »
Defendant won't admit he was following him, he was just looking for an address.

Repeats RJ's pervert comment.

She did lie about funeral and her age. She's guilty of that. She didn't want to have to deal with the body.

Are you going to disregard her testimony because of that? She didn't want to testify. Maybe she didn't want to admit she couldn't read cursive.

 

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