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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2013, 12:28:21 PM »
He was more than angry. That's frustration. That's ill-will and hatred. "My G-d he's not going to get away." Plays the f*ing punks line from the tape.

Why necessary to utter f*king punks if he hadn't already determined TM was a criminal and he was not going to get away.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2013, 12:29:30 PM »
Is it more effective that O'Mara objects to misstatement of fact (like what GZ said to the first cops about call my wife) or mention it themselves in their closing--like "listen, the prosecutor even lied in his own closing...."?

Because Bernie has told a couple of actual lies here.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2013, 12:31:50 PM »
He inadvertently let out that he lied about not knowing the name of the street.
(By telling officer in the car the name of the street in the reinactment? -- I didn't understand that)

Jenna Lauer: this wasn't a sudden attack like GZ claimed. It didn't start at the top of the T where GZ claimed.

Teacher Jane: she had a good view and thought the bigger man was on top.

Voice she heard was a child vs an older person. Is she expert? No. But either are those who came in and said it was TM's voice or GZ's voice.

What she observed is consistent with what happened.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2013, 12:33:07 PM »
You'd have to believe he was just going for a walk and victim just attacked him.

You'd have to believe GZ just took it, he never did anything. Compare the sizes. At the last minute, he was able to take out his concealed gun and shoot him.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2013, 12:35:26 PM »
Let's talk about John Good.
He did not see shooting, he saw what happened prior to the shooting
He submits there was a fight. There was struggle.
One of them had 18 months MMA  training. Oh, but he's just pudgy and overweight, Mr. Pollack said.
You can't just take it in a vacuum. What led up to it? Was it necessary to shoot him.
The defense will parade the photos. I don't think I have to show you the most important photo, the ME photo, who got hurt the most?

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2013, 12:37:14 PM »
Was TM trying to protect himself from that gun?
Is that what this struggle is about?
GZ claims victim tried to grab the gum. Unfortunately the truth comes out. No DNA on the gun.Told Osterman the next day that the victim had grabbed the gun, not the holster.
Osterman told you he wrote a book about it.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2013, 12:40:17 PM »
Witness Bahadoor who heard "ooh" is consistent with Jeantel saying "get off."

Bahadoor saw them struggling upright.
She say them going from left to right.

GZ claims he pulled him all the way over here. Remember where the items were?

Mrs. Manalo saw biggest person on top. They made a big deal out of having seen photos on TV.

My point is there was a struggle and at some point the victim was on top and at some time GZ was on top.

But what caused it?


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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2013, 12:42:07 PM »
Does more "you'd have to believe the defendant was just..."

Manalo told you he went outside and thought the defendant had been beaten up.

Call my wife,  just tell him I shot him.

How does a struggle factor in? Who started it? Who was following who?
Does the victim have the right to self-defense when he's being chased?


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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2013, 12:43:28 PM »
No dispute it was raining and dark.

Points to diagram shows where things were.

Says photos don't show blood on sidewalk.

Why is his jacket not torn up? Is he exagerating what happened/

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2013, 12:45:26 PM »
Can Bernie actually say that there's no evidence that TM could fight? Just because the judge didn't let it in, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

What's that, 5 big lies now?

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2013, 12:45:32 PM »
Points out flashlights, told police it wasn't working.
Why was he carrying a flashlight that wasn't working.

As he's speaking he has photo of uncovered body with TM lying on back with mouth open.

No blood on victim's hands. Defense tried to blame on ME. But this is at the scene. Where's the blood.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2013, 12:49:41 PM »
Says a photo shows something is longer than something else. Was defendant pulling on him as he was trying to back away?

Shows sign with street name.

Flashes through daytime pics of scene.
Shows Manalo's photo
Hands under body
What did defendant tell you?
He spread his hands like cops do. It's part of him wanting to be a cop. That's what cops do.
Di Maio said he could move for 15 seconds. (I didn't get his point about this.)



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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2013, 12:52:09 PM »
Talks about DNA on grip. TM is excluded. Inconsistent with what he told Osterman.

Where is his blood out there?
More on DNA.

Was one person screaming or two?

How can he be screaming as he's swallowing blood

How is he able to yell

Or is he lying about that (shouts)

I submit it's a lie.


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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2013, 12:52:36 PM »
Shows exhibit of Martin's DNA results.

15 minute recess.
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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2013, 01:15:52 PM »
Court back in session.

BDLR shows minor injury to TM's left hand. TM is right handed.

One is shot to death, and one lies.
He brought a gun to a site because he didn't want the guy to get away.
Now he wants you to let him off because the only other eye-witness is dead.

TM had the right to defend himself.

Moves to GZ interview to show why GZ is lying and why it happened.

Plays part of his interview with Singleton.



 

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