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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2013, 01:40:03 PM »
I'm off to make some graphics. If anyone wants to take over.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2013, 01:40:27 PM »
Heads up:  found out on CNN this morning that the juror who is taking so many notes and speaking up for the jurors....may end up as forewoman is from a "gun family".  For Bernies information.  It is not just cop behavior when someone holsters their gun after shooting it.  It is basic safety.  Everyone who carries should be trained in the same safety as anyone else including cops.  This juror should know this. GZ has all the language down because he is a responsible gun owner who got training when he started to carry a gun.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2013, 01:53:06 PM »
Bernie shows picture and tells jurors to notice the sprinkler box.  Asks, "Could that have caused some of his injuries?"


Mentions that some clubhouse video clips are in evidence. Says jurors will see shadow and car by mailbox just like Rachel said.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2013, 01:55:54 PM »
Does not want to admit he is chasing, following or profiling him.
Plays "these as*holes..."

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2013, 01:58:23 PM »
Moves onto Hannity. "He tells one lie after another." Plays portions.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM »
Does GZ's voice sound much deeper(that it sounded when you or I listened to these interviews?) on the video that Bernie is showing?

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2013, 02:00:16 PM »
Hannity asks, GZ, maybe TM was scared of you?
GZ thinks that wouldn't look good for me so what does he do? Makes up "la la la" and says TM skipped away.

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Just caught a glimpse as the camera panned on Angela Corey..
« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2013, 02:00:24 PM »
She appears to be very disgusted... assuming with Bernie's closing.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2013, 02:02:46 PM »
Is GZ screaming or not? Why would TM tell him to shut up if he's not screaming.

Mocks GZ saying his gun became exposes as his jacket came up.

Before he's incapable of fighting back, now he can shimmy.

plays "I feel it was all G-d's plan" and GZ telling Hannity he can't think of anything he'd do differently. "That speaks for itself."

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2013, 02:03:55 PM »
Can Bernie actually say that there's no evidence that TM could fight? Just because the judge didn't let it in, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

That's an excellent point. The issue came up in Arias v. State. The court approvingly quoted another case:

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The prosecutor's use of the privilege of nondisclosure, first as a shield, then as a sword, unfairly prejudiced the defendant. While the State is free to argue to the jury any theory of a crime that is reasonably supported by evidence, it may not subvert the truth-seeking function of a trial by obtaining a conviction or sentence based on the obfuscation of relevant facts.

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In this case the toxicology results showed that the victim had a .21 blood alcohol level, traces of cocaine in the blood, and cocaine metabolites. The State successfully kept the jury from hearing the toxicology results. On cross-examination, the State then attacked the defendant's lay observations of the victim's intoxication on the theory that the defendant was not a qualified toxicologist. Further, the State's parting shot was to make it appear that the defendant's testimony that the victim "was acting crazy like on cocaine" was just an assumption. Of course, the State knew that the toxicology results (excluded on the State's motion) confirmed the defendant's observations. This cross-examination was totally improper. Because this cross-examination deprived the defendant of a fair trial, we must reverse for a new trial.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2013, 02:07:11 PM »
"Armpits? How does he get the gun out?" (Shouted very loudly)

Let's talk about the law. Bernie races over it, speaking so fast about ill-will you can't hear what he's saying. Then goes back to pointing out GZ's statements, and slows way down.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2013, 02:08:41 PM »
Refers to GZ's statement of his injuries: "How is the defendant alive or is he exaggerating that too?"

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #72 on: July 11, 2013, 02:09:47 PM »
I loved Bernie's demo of TM 'skipping'.

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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2013, 02:10:24 PM »
Goes back to law, second degree murder, and talks every faster than before, no one could listen as fast as he is speaking.


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Re: State's First Closing Argument
« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2013, 02:18:33 PM »
I assume this powerpoint presentation does not go to deliberation.

Bernardo had slides that recited elements of the law, not much of a deal as far as I'm concerned.  He had another slide that listed perfectly legal actions, he didn't talk through them, but the implication is one that West was trying to avoid allowing the prosecutor to make.

He says there is no eyewitness that saw it happen, no movie.  Quite a few slides are just shown, not talked through.  One had to do with the direction of scooching vs.which way Zimmerman's jacket would ride.

Wraps up by requesting a verdict that speaks the truth, a guilty verdict.  You hard from parents of both the victim and the defendant.  But there can't be more photos of Martin.  All because of the actions of Zimmerman, who is guilty of murder.

Judge is recessing the jury for the night.

 

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