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Offline ding7777

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2013, 10:37:16 AM »
Has anybody yawned yet?

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2013, 10:37:40 AM »
Who is responsible for Trayvon Martin laying on the ground...

Dunno Guy, you're supposed to prove it to us.

Now he's getting weepy about how he wishes he could put his hand on TM's shoulder. Then instantly he's mad and hitting the podium because "Trayvon will never be a piece of cardboard!"

Sheesh. But that little black asexual dummy is...what?

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2013, 10:38:13 AM »
Said in an angry tone, "Trayvon Martin will never be a piece of cardboard."

There are no Rachael Jaentels on CSI.

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2013, 10:38:33 AM »
Now he's invoking Law and Order.

How about going over your own evidence? Would that work for anyone?


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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2013, 10:39:00 AM »
Guy challenges the jury to compare the NEN and walkthrough because they can't be reconciled.

I think he is right about that.

Earlier Guy said that GZ's account of what TM said got worse with retelling. I checked my notes, and I think the opposite is true. GZ often dropped the obscenity from the later versions.

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2013, 10:41:28 AM »
Has anybody yawned yet?

The audience looks awake.  I'm listening pretty close, but a good chunk of the remarks are just odd.

Who made this trial?  Who chose the lighting, weather conditions, time, etc.  Zimmerman did.  He chose everything, and that is why we are here.  The evidence is enough, I am not asking you to fill in the gaps.  Do what you do every day.  Start at the beginning, get to the end, apply your common sense.

Your verdict won't bring Martin back to life, but will forever define you.

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2013, 10:41:59 AM »
Guy told the jury that their verdict wouldn't bring TM back to life, as earnestly as if he really thought they didn't know it. Pitiful, in my opinion.

We're still waiting for the sly trick Jeralyn suspected.

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2013, 10:44:13 AM »
Would be nice if Guy made an effort to be coherent.

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2013, 10:44:44 AM »
Guy suggested that if GZ could get to his gun, that meant TM couldn't have been 'on top' of him.

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2013, 10:47:06 AM »
Guy has brought up the speculation that TM was afraid to lead GZ to Chad, repeating that Chad was 12.

If TM was worried about Chad he could have called him and told him to lock the doors, and then called the police. But he kept talking to Jeantel, which earlier Guy said was proof he wasn't going after GZ.

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2013, 10:47:49 AM »
Guy brought up Hannity and 'God's plan'.

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2013, 10:49:35 AM »
Objection.

Guy misstating burden of proof and so forth.


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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2013, 10:51:40 AM »
Guy insisted he wasn't wrong to say that GZ pushed the gun into TM's chest, again citing the contact damage to the clothing. (This was before the sidebar for the objection AB mentioned. I had a glitch getting this posted.)

ETA: Both the WFTV talking heads thought the sidebar was because Guy had gone over time.





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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2013, 10:54:17 AM »
Why didn't Martin go home?  Use your common sense.  Did he want to lead defendant to the residence with 12 year old Chad (I'm pretty sure he said 12 year old).

I think Guy is just going through a punch list of items that he thought were best in defense closing.  It's a bit repetitive, he's covering the "Zimmerman can't get the gun while pinned" argument again.  I don't have the impression that Guy has some sneaky twist.

Guy covering the supposed failure to prove "didn't push gun into chest" by saying contact wound with shirt is the same thing as pushing gun into chest.

Guy predicts that jury will get instructions after lunch.  Guy talks about burden of proof in a certain way (I don't remember the details) and O'Mara objected.  Sidebar.  Hopefully the last one of the trial.  O'Mara won.  Court will instruct the jury on the law.

One last thing (yeah, sure).  Brought up by the defense.  Race.  This case is not about race, it is about right, and wrong.  It is that simple.  Ask yourselves, all things being equal, and 28 y/o Zimmerman was wearing a hoodie, and a 17 y/o called the police, and the 17 y/o had hate, and if Trayvon Martin who had shot and killed Zimmerman, what would your verdict be.  Wow - that was the secret clincher!  Pull out the race card.  Quelle Surprise!

To the living we owe respect, but to the dead, we owe the truth.  What do we owe Trayvon Martin?  16 years and 21 days forever.  he was a son, a friend, a brother.  The last thing he tried to do was get home.  The self serving statements and lies, and hate in his heart, words that they can't now take back.  The physical evidence refutes his lies, and the law that the judge is about to read, that applies to all of us, this is the truth.

Judge gives choice of instructions before or after lunch.  Jury picks after.

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Re: State's Closing Rebuttal
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2013, 10:54:30 AM »
Jury going to lunch. She'll read the jury instructions when they get back.

Court in recess until 2PM.

and that...would appear to be that. At least of that.


 

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