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Title: Time on the phone
Post by: AJ on May 24, 2013, 12:25:50 AM
In another thread, we were discussing the time on the phone and we decided the time couldn't be correct because of various factors. I'm not entirely sure of that now.

In this image we see that the battery was removed while stored in the evidence bag:

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/discovery_12/screenpics/2012-10-15_0002.jpg

In this image we see the time on the phone as being 7:02PM (taken at 6:07AM on 10/16/12):

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/discovery_12/screenpics/2012-10-16_0001.jpg

Along with the information we found out yesterday (the last text being unread at 7:08PM), I think it might be a fair assumption to say the phone died shortly before 7pm - giving a couple minutes to get the pattern lock mentioned in the second image above. Only question in regard to such an assumption is: did they charge the battery externally, are they using a different battery or was the battery not really dead but perhaps a connection that needed to be cleaned (or otherwise fixed) ?
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: leftwig on May 24, 2013, 08:09:34 AM
I am not sure I understand your conclusions.  Are you suggesting that when they put the battery back in place, the clock started up as if picking up where it last left off (the time in the photo is now 7:02, so you assume it had died a few minutes earlier)?   I wouldn't think something like the time would have stayed in place for 7 months (ie, not stored on a removable memory device, but was in the phones transient memory).  I am no expert so have no idea, just trying to understand where you were going with this.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: MikeB on May 24, 2013, 08:32:04 AM
I returned from a vacation in Colorado this week. Two hour time difference. When I returned- and before I had cell service - my phone was "stuck" on Colorado time. I am willing to bet a cup of eCoffee that if the phone no longer had service, the time would be stuck on whatever it was when shut off.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DebFrmHell on May 24, 2013, 09:14:11 AM
I returned from a vacation in Colorado this week. Two hour time difference. When I returned- and before I had cell service - my phone was "stuck" on Colorado time. I am willing to bet a cup of eCoffee that if the phone no longer had service, the time would be stuck on whatever it was when shut off.

I powered up a phone that I don't have service on.  It came up with real time when I turned it on.  We don't know when that photo was taken.  We just know that the photo was taken at 7:02pm since there is no date listed.  It is showing too many password attempts.  It shows the emergency 911 that you can call on phones, service or not.  Since that is the only button that would work, IMO, Singleton used that one to get the phone number.

Where is NMNM?  I don't have a quick reference other than one report from Det. Kuhl in CA.  There are no dates or times listed on it.  I am looking for the evidence file where the phone was checked out.  Remember that Brenton and an SAO investigator (Gilbreath?) had that phone for around 6 wks- 2 months (IIRC) 

The phone got shipped to CA sometime in January... again from memory. 

And we know how that goes... :o    ;)
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: RickyJim on May 24, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
If it is OK to publish the text messages found on the phone, wouldn't be OK to publish the GPS data?  Or are the text messages somehow less protected than what are referred to as "phone records".
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: AJ on May 24, 2013, 10:36:10 AM
We don't know when that photo was taken.  We just know that the photo was taken at 7:02pm since there is no date listed.

The date of the image, along with the time and various other information (device taking the image) is in the metadata for the image. For the image with the device powered on, the image was taken:

Date: 10/16/2012
Time: 6:07 AM
Camera Maker: IPEVO
Camera Model: P2V

Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: AJ on May 24, 2013, 10:46:37 AM
I am not sure I understand your conclusions.  Are you suggesting that when they put the battery back in place, the clock started up as if picking up where it last left off (the time in the photo is now 7:02, so you assume it had died a few minutes earlier)?   I wouldn't think something like the time would have stayed in place for 7 months (ie, not stored on a removable memory device, but was in the phones transient memory).  I am no expert so have no idea, just trying to understand where you were going with this.

Under this theory, you'd have to set the time on your phone every time you take out the battery - even if only for a moment. While it may be true that the phone may try to contact an ntpd (of some type) once a battery is re-inserted, that doesn't mean the last known time for the device isn't stored in non-volatile memory somewhere. While I agree that phones lack a CMOS battery so they can't continue to update the time without power like a computer would, I don't think they completely lose time either.

I don't have an Android phone to test with (or a phone that has easy battery access) .. but if someone does, a simple test would be to set the phone to not update through an ntpd (or whatever) and remove the battery. After a few hours, plug the battery back in and see what time it says.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DebFrmHell on May 24, 2013, 11:07:21 AM
The date of the image, along with the time and various other information (device taking the image) is in the metadata for the image. For the image with the device powered on, the image was taken:

Date: 10/16/2012
Time: 6:07 AM
Camera Maker: IPEVO
Camera Model: P2V

I freely admit it.  I don't get why the times are different.  6:07 AM v 7:08 PM

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/discovery_12/screenpics/2012-10-15_0002.jpg

That is the picture from Detective Kuhl.  The one thing I noticed that I hadn't noticed before is the seizure date on that phone.  It is reported seized on 3/22/12.  Was the phone released to anyone that wasn't LE?  I find it a little odd that the date of seizure is the same date that Corey was assigned as special prosecutor.

Sorry if it has been mentioned before and I don't remember it.  There are the texts that were deleted.  W8 reported that some of hers didn't show.  If Tracy had the phone, if he had the access code, could he have been the one that deleted the texts, not from his home computer but through the actual phone?

I never thought Tracy had control over that phone.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: AJ on May 24, 2013, 11:25:54 AM
I freely admit it.  I don't get why the times are different.  6:07 AM v 7:08 PM

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/discovery_12/screenpics/2012-10-15_0002.jpg

There are a number of times to talk about. The phone displays 7:02PM and 7:04PM in two pictures taken of it. The text message log shows an unread message at 7:08PM. The image of the phone showing 7:02PM was taken at 6:07AM, and the image showing the time at 7:04PM was taken at either 11PM or 3PM (I remember it being 4 hours off the time on the phone).

What I figured people would talk about is that the phone shows a time previous to the time of the last text and would be confused by that, but it's explainable. When an SMS message is received it's stored in a database file (on iPhones it's called sms.db - it's an sqlite database). Along with the message, various other information is stored, such as the time it was received on the phone, and the time that the carrier (T-Mobile in this case) received it. I think the 7:08PM time would be the time the carrier received it, which would explain why the SMS was received after the time shown on the phone itself.

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That is the picture from Detective Kuhl.  The one thing I noticed that I hadn't noticed before is the seizure date on that phone.  It is reported seized on 3/22/12.  Was the phone released to anyone that wasn't LE?  I find it a little odd that the date of seizure is the same date that Corey was assigned as special prosecutor.

I think that's why the seizure date is the same - that's the date the SAO took it from SPD. Just my theory. The only gap I recall in the chain of custody was somewhere between September and January 2013.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: RickyJim on May 24, 2013, 11:30:04 AM
Sorry if it has been mentioned before and I don't remember it.  There are the texts that were deleted.  W8 reported that some of hers didn't show.  If Tracy had the phone, if he had the access code, could he have been the one that deleted the texts, not from his home computer but through the actual phone?

I never thought Tracy had control over that phone.
Where did you get the idea that Tracy was given the phone after it was collected by the police as evidence?  That would certainly be incredible.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: MikeB on May 24, 2013, 11:59:51 AM
Wouldn't the logs of others TM was apparently in touch with have corroborating texts? Time stamps, deletions, etc?
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DebFrmHell on May 24, 2013, 01:23:25 PM
Where did you get the idea that Tracy was given the phone after it was collected by the police as evidence?  That would certainly be incredible.

I got it from the SEIZURE DATE of 3/22/12.  There were lots of rumors about it going back to Tracy around that time and I thought it was all bunk and not worth discussing.  The date just screamed at me.  AJ got me back on path with his sensible explanation.

 ;D   Sometimes it pays to have someone dig me out of the conspiracy theories.  I have a tendency to run wild on occasion.


I would like to see the property report on that phone again, however.  I know I have seen it but didn't bookmark it for reference.  I could kick myself for that one.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: AJ on May 24, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
I would like to see the property report on that phone again, however.  I know I have seen it but didn't bookmark it for reference.  I could kick myself for that one.

http://gzdocs.com/documents/0213/response_motion_discovery_cell.pdf

Thank Nettles next time you see her, she had to help me find it :)
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: RickyJim on May 24, 2013, 01:45:40 PM
The report says that at some not specified time the phone was handed over from SPD to FDLE.  I find no reason to believe Tracy had it after SPD collected it.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DebFrmHell on May 24, 2013, 01:49:29 PM
http://gzdocs.com/documents/0213/response_motion_discovery_cell.pdf

Thank Nettles next time you see her, she had to help me find it :)

I LOVE YOU AND NETTLES!  ;)

 ummm.  But I am looking for the one that has where Singleton and Serino checked that phone out of evidence.  IIRC, it was around March 3rd.  It was a handwritten list but I can't remember if it was on the evidence bag or if it was a Log for DMS-7.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: RickyJim on May 24, 2013, 01:59:58 PM
Deb, I am wondering if you are confusing Martin's with Zimmerman's phone.  For some reason, the following scenario sticks in my mind.Does thus sound familiar to anybody else?
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DebFrmHell on May 24, 2013, 05:28:25 PM
Deb, I am wondering if you are confusing Martin's with Zimmerman's phone.  For some reason, the following scenario sticks in my mind.
  • Singleton takes Zimmerman's phone on 2/26/12 and has a memory dump performed.
  • She gives phone back to Zimmerman before he goes home.
  • In early March the police ask for Zimmerman's phone again.
  • My mind goes blank as to whether they returned it again or is it still being held as evidence
Does thus sound familiar to anybody else?

No, I am not confusing the phones. I have yet to find the log I was looking for.  I am thinking it is in the 2nd Doc Dump.  Been sick this week so I haven't had it in me to go over everything in that one.  I was hoping for a quick reference to it.

All of that is mostly true  RE: Zimmerman's phone. 

This one
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Singleton takes Zimmerman's phone on 2/26/12 and has a memory dump performed.
The night of his interrogation, SPD had his phone because Singleton had it brought to him so he could retrieve a number for her.  That was regarding the security cameras.  I don't recall a doc dump of it.  It wasn't labeled as evidence, unlike DMS-7 the cell belonging to TM, so it appears they let him leave with it.  They kept his gun, clothing, boots and socks. 

He did turn it over when they issued a warrant for it.  I am thinking it was later in March though, possibly the SAO investigators asked for it.

The Zimmerman's bought two phones when he got released from jail the first time.

Sorry to be so vague.  Out of everything I have, I really blew it on the cell phones.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: RickyJim on May 24, 2013, 05:45:44 PM
Now I am wondering if I am hallucinating about Zimmerman's phone.  If they had his GPS coordinates during the NEN call when questioning him, that would have come up.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 24, 2013, 05:58:21 PM
I have yet to find the log I was looking for.  I am thinking it is in the 2nd Doc Dump.

What exactly is it you are looking for?
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: unitron on May 24, 2013, 06:07:02 PM
Under this theory, you'd have to set the time on your phone every time you take out the battery - even if only for a moment. While it may be true that the phone may try to contact an ntpd (of some type) once a battery is re-inserted, that doesn't mean the last known time for the device isn't stored in non-volatile memory somewhere. While I agree that phones lack a CMOS battery so they can't continue to update the time without power like a computer would, I don't think they completely lose time either.

I don't have an Android phone to test with (or a phone that has easy battery access) .. but if someone does, a simple test would be to set the phone to not update through an ntpd (or whatever) and remove the battery. After a few hours, plug the battery back in and see what time it says.

The time it was when the battery is removed may be stored in non-volitile memory, but without a source of electrical power, the oscillator whose vibrations are counted to determine stuff like the passage of time doesn't oscillate, so the clock doesn't run when there's no power.

If the phone is then powered back up inside a Faraday cage where it can't access a cell phone network, it'll start the clock running again either from whatever time it was when the battery was removed, it it stored that info, or else it'll reset to whatever default date and time the operating system uses.

As for whether an east coast phone powered up in California uses the time signal from a local cell phone tower, or whether it communicates with the east coast server and gets that 3 hour difference not counting the Daylight Saving Time change that may have occurred since the battery was removed, I do not know.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DebFrmHell on May 24, 2013, 06:10:36 PM
What exactly is it you are looking for?

Remember that log sheet for TM's cell phone?  The one that showed Singleton had checked it out a few days after the shooting?  It was a log sheet that had handwritten signatures and badge numbers.  I think Serino had checked it out also.   It would be the one that the date coincides w/ the 911 call made to that phone by SPD.  It established the number when they called it back.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: unitron on May 24, 2013, 06:11:08 PM
I'm pretty sure they gave Trayvon's phone back to Tracy right around the same time they gave George's gun back to George.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 24, 2013, 06:53:10 PM
Remember that log sheet for TM's cell phone? 

I think that's 41/284. (http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf)
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: AJ on May 24, 2013, 07:03:15 PM
If the phone is then powered back up inside a Faraday cage where it can't access a cell phone network, it'll start the clock running again either from whatever time it was when the battery was removed, it it stored that info, or else it'll reset to whatever default date and time the operating system uses.

I don't think we know whether or not the phone was set up to automatically set the time. Note the test I mentioned and you quoted. Judging by the lack of a proper time no matter the location, I think it'd be following occham's razor to say it wasn't set up to automatically update. As a side note, my phone does adjust when time zone changes... but I don't have an Andriod so I can't speak for it.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DebFrmHell on May 24, 2013, 08:11:59 PM
I think that's 41/284. (http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf)

Thank you.  OK.  The thing I think is odd is the seizure date for DMS-7.  It reads 3/22/12.  Looking over the log, it looks like everything was transferred to FDLE on 3/26/12.  It is probably nothing.   It just bugs me that none of the dates match with the 22nd on the log sheet.
 
This is the image of the phone
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/discovery_12/screenpics/2012-10-16_0001.jpg

This is the image of the phone when it went off to Det Kuhl in CA.
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/discovery_12/screenpics/2012-10-15_0002.jpg


The 22nd is the day that Corey's office took over the investigation.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 24, 2013, 08:44:12 PM
Remember that Brenton and an SAO investigator (Gilbreath?) had that phone for around 6 wks- 2 months (IIRC) 

The phone got shipped to CA sometime in January... again from memory. 

The source on that would be a State's Response to Defendant's Demand for Specific Discovery. (http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0213/response_motion_discovery_cell.pdf)  As so often at GZLegal, it's not available at the moment.

There's a thread (http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2316.0.html) on it (just 2 pages). You started it, btw.

The phone was shipped to California on 10/12/12. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/81587998@N06/8457856507/)

Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: AJ on May 24, 2013, 08:50:55 PM
The source on that would be a State's Response to Defendant's Demand for Specific Discovery. (http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0213/response_motion_discovery_cell.pdf)  As so often at GZLegal, it's not available at the moment.

It seems they have switched hosts and not all of the urls going to the previous host were changed. All you have to do is switch out the ip and home directory for "gzdocs.com" .. so the invalid url of:

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0213/response_motion_discovery_cell.pdf

Becomes:

http://gzdocs.com/documents/0213/response_motion_discovery_cell.pdf

Today I put all of the gzlegal docs on a dropbox to help when they are actually down. I'm going to put all of the docs from flcourts18 on there as well as all of the State's discovery (as soon as I find it all again). I linked it in another thread, message me if you'd like the url and can't find it or don't want to go searching for it lol (don't want to give the appearance of spamming it).
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 24, 2013, 08:57:34 PM
Thanks for the fix, AJ.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 24, 2013, 09:11:20 PM
Looking over the log, it looks like everything was transferred to FDLE on 3/26/12. 

I think you're misreading the 3/26 entry.  I read:

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DMS-17-18,20,22

That makes the last entry for DMS-7 on 3/20.

In the handwritten 3/26 entry, the first dash connects with the numeral 1. That makes it seem like a meaningless squiggle. I think that's why you mistook DMS-17 for DMS-7.

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The 22nd is the day that Corey's office took over the investigation.

Unless they declared it a holiday, FDLE had to do something on that day.  ;)
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DebFrmHell on May 24, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Above that, next line up, on 3/26 is listed as DMS-1-10.  I read that to be DMS 1 thru 10.  Like I said, it just bugs me that the dates don't match.  There is not one date for any item that matches 3/22/12 and  I want to know why not?

I pinky swear...I am not mixing my 7's and 17's.  ((If I am, please don't tell me.  There is a certain amount of bliss in this!))

 :o

WARNING!  OCDer On Board!  WARNING!

 ;)
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 24, 2013, 10:39:34 PM
Above that, next line up, on 3/26 is listed as DMS-1-10.  I read that to be DMS 1 thru 10. 

Right you are. My bad.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 25, 2013, 01:15:10 AM
My mind goes blank as to whether they returned it again or is it still being held as evidence

March FDLE Reports (http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents/71-fdle-reports-from-the-state-s-9th-supplemental-discovery) (9th Supplemental), p. 12.
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Zimmerman signed consent to search for his blackberry phone and turned over his phone to SA John Batchelor. The data on the phone was downloaded for analysis. The phone was returned to Zimmerman the same day.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 25, 2013, 01:52:04 AM
March FDLE Reports (http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents/71-fdle-reports-from-the-state-s-9th-supplemental-discovery) (9th Supplemental), p. 13
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On March 26, 2012, Special Agent (SA) Dale Crosby received evidence from Sanford Police Department Crime Scene Tech [redacted], related to the Trayvon Martin shooting Investigation. SA Crosby took custody of the evidence and submitted all items into the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) general evidence for storage but not to be process[sic] until further instruction.

The CST was probably Smith. Curious her name would be redacted.

The individual items aren't listed, but we have confirmation that multiple items of evidence were transferred from SPD to FDLE on 3/26/12. It was Crosby, not Lee, who received the items on that date.

Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DiwataMan on May 25, 2013, 03:04:39 AM
Thank you.  OK.  The thing I think is odd is the seizure date for DMS-7.  It reads 3/22/12.  Looking over the log, it looks like everything was transferred to FDLE on 3/26/12.  It is probably nothing.   It just bugs me that none of the dates match with the 22nd on the log sheet.
 
This is the image of the phone
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/discovery_12/screenpics/2012-10-16_0001.jpg

This is the image of the phone when it went off to Det Kuhl in CA.
http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/discovery_12/screenpics/2012-10-15_0002.jpg


The 22nd is the day that Corey's office took over the investigation.

This is what I think happened. Jackie Blue got the phone from the SPD on the 20th. She was done with it on the 22nd, resealed the bag putting her initials and date over the seal, then her boss Lee made it official property of the FDLE on that same day instead of transferring it back to SPD. Then on the 26th Crosby of the FDLE went to get the rest of the items from SPD. I suppose Crosby could have put 1-6 then 8-10 but I think he just put 1-10 although 7 was not there.

DMS-2
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gg072c6k5jii62t/yrff114SJ9/Defense%27s%20Documents/Reciprocal%202/defense_photos#f:DSC_0214.JPG
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: DebFrmHell on May 25, 2013, 06:29:56 AM
That's all good for me.  Now I can sleep without thinking!  LOL!  Try to spot the difference...  :)
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 25, 2013, 06:44:31 AM
This is what I think happened. Jackie Blue got the phone from the SPD on the 20th. She was done with it on the 22nd, resealed the bag putting her initials and date over the seal, then her boss Lee made it official property of the FDLE on that same day instead of transferring it back to SPD. Then on the 26th Crosby of the FDLE went to get the rest of the items from SPD. I suppose Crosby could have put 1-6 then 8-10 but I think he just put 1-10 although 7 was not there.

I think the log more or less supports that (41/284 (http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf)).

JDB signed out two sets on 3/20 at 9:23AM: DMS-13-16, 19, and DMS-7, both earmarked for FDLE.

Someone with atrocious handwriting signed out the two sets on 3/26, at 10AM, also for FDLE. Neither signature looks much like 'Crosby' to me, and they barely resemble each other, except in sloppiness.

In both cases it looks like the reason for two sets could be that they ran out of room to write.

I checked the March FDLE reports, and didn't find any report of evidence transferred on 3/20. I don't think that means anything, except that the reports aren't complete. 

Minor mystery: If Crosby went to SPD to get the evidence, what was the role of CST [redacted]?

Smith went to Volusia County to get the autopsy evidence, so I thought schlepping the stuff around might be a regular part of her job.
 
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 25, 2013, 07:17:46 AM
If Crosby went to SPD to get the evidence, what was the role of CST [redacted]?

I overlooked an obvious possibility, because of a preconception. The illegible signature could belong to a Sanford CST other than Smith.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: RickyJim on May 25, 2013, 08:10:57 AM
March FDLE Reports (http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents/71-fdle-reports-from-the-state-s-9th-supplemental-discovery) (9th Supplemental), p. 12.
So on March 22, 2012, FDLE found out what was in the memory of Zimmerman's phone.  Was SPD incapable of doing such a thing on the night of Feb. 26?  One might fear that if GPS data was there for the NEN call, it would have been overwritten during the next month.  What happened to the same stuff on Martin's phone remains publicly unkown for now.  It seems we may have a double goose egg for the most important potential evidence in the case.  According to Wikipedia, even if Sanford had E911 installed, it would only work if you dial 911 so the NEN call didn't register GPS data at the call center.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 25, 2013, 03:18:01 PM
So on March 22, 2012, FDLE found out what was in the memory of Zimmerman's phone.  Was SPD incapable of doing such a thing on the night of Feb. 26? 

I don't know that it has ever been explained why SPD didn't need a warrant to work on Martin's phone. I doubt the same exception would apply to Zimmerman, if only because the phone was on his person.

They could have asked for his consent, as FDLE later did. Maybe they didn't want to risk spooking him out of cooperating at all.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 25, 2013, 03:45:48 PM
According to Wikipedia, even if Sanford had E911 installed, it would only work if you dial 911 so the NEN call didn't register GPS data at the call center.

As you say, it doesn't look like it will matter. As a point of curiosity, some of the 911 Event Reports (http://www.wagist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/911CallHistory.pdf) have an entry for 'Ani/Ali Information:'. I think that means they're getting GPS data.

No such entries on NEN calls.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 25, 2013, 08:32:23 PM
The phone display shows four bars for the signal strength, so I doubt it's in a Faraday cage. Too bad the display doesn't include the date.

MJW posted this on another thread. I thought the point should be repeated on this one.

I don't know how to read the signal strength on that display. Is it the purple X at the upper left?

Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 25, 2013, 09:07:09 PM
The date of the image, along with the time and various other information (device taking the image) is in the metadata for the image. For the image with the device powered on, the image was taken:

Date: 10/16/2012
Time: 6:07 AM
Camera Maker: IPEVO
Camera Model: P2V

How do you access the metadata?
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on May 25, 2013, 09:11:43 PM
I don't know how to read the signal strength on that display. Is it the purple X at the upper left?

Never mind. I looked at a different picture, and I can see the bars at the bottom.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: AJ on June 17, 2013, 04:44:07 AM
How do you access the metadata?

If you're using Windows, right click the file then click on "Properties." Click on the "Details" tab. Also, Windows Explorer will show some details at the bottom of the window when you click on the file.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on June 17, 2013, 04:55:29 AM
If you're using Windows, right click the file then click on "Properties." Click on the "Details" tab. Also, Windows Explorer will show some details at the bottom of the window when you click on the file.

Thanks.

Somehow I missed this when it was posted, almost a month ago.
Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on June 17, 2013, 06:29:08 AM
Somehow I missed this when it was posted, almost a month ago.

Oops. It was posted today. I was looking at the wrong date.

Title: Re: Time on the phone
Post by: TalkLeft on June 23, 2013, 05:33:49 PM
ANI/ALI: Automatic number identifier and automatic location identifier