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Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / Re: The Case Goes Academic
« Last post by nomatter_nevermind on February 24, 2014, 04:06:44 PM »
One reader, Kevin Cunningham, saw the Reuters piece shared on a listserv, “Men of Howard,” comprising fellow members of an informal fraternity at Howard University, where he attended law school (Leitsinger, 2012). Frustrated by the relative paucity of media coverage and incensed by the lack of justice, he began a petition on 8 March.

'[T]he lack of justice' is presented by the 'academics' as an objective fact, not just the view of the individual under discussion.

Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / Re: The Case Goes Academic
« Last post by nomatter_nevermind on February 24, 2014, 03:55:26 PM »
Crump brought on local lawyer Natalie Jackson, who enlisted the pro bono services of publicist Ryan Julison.

Julison’s pitch did not emphasize the racial element to the story, but underscored agreed upon facts: a neighborhood watch vigilante, who was carrying a gun, shot an unarmed teenager, and was not arrested.

I disagree with both claims about 'Julison's pitch'. I think Julison's pitch did 'emphasize the racial element to the story', and asserted many factual claims that were by no means agreed upon. The characterization of GZ as a 'vigilante' is an example of the latter, if it is accurate. I don't actually recall if Julison made the vigilante charge explicitly, and at this point I have zero confidence in the research of these 'academics'.

Julison was particularly struck by the fact that a neighborhood watch captain would be carrying a firearm with no training of any kind other than a concealed weapons permit (Julison, 2012).

This makes no sense, as a 'permit' is not 'training'. Presumably it means no more training than required to get the permit, but it could be interpreted as implying no training at all.
Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / Re: The Case Goes Academic
« Last post by nomatter_nevermind on February 24, 2014, 03:18:46 PM »
During the halftime of the NBA All–Star Game on 26 February, Martin walked to a nearby convenience store to get an iced tea and a bag of Skittles for himself and his stepbrother–to–be.

The All-Star Game began at 7:30, about the same time TM was pronounced dead. And it wasn't tea.

This is from the first paragraph of the study. I wouldn't put any confidence in researchers who don't bother with facts that are easy to check.

ETA: The third paragraph characterizes Rachel Jeantel as TM's 'girlfriend', a status she denied under oath at the trial.
Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / The Case Goes Academic
« Last post by RickyJim on February 24, 2014, 11:37:16 AM »
A study by 3 MIT researchers has just come out.  It describes the complicated history of how this ordinary police blotter incident became the media sensation it did.   Perhaps it explains more what happened rather why this case grabbed such attention.  (I still can't figure out also how Justin Bieber made it so big.  :D )  It also is a bit heavy handed in its few references to the actual facts of the case.   For example,
The audio of the call established that the 911 operator asked Zimmerman not to pursue Martin. Zimmerman ignored this advice and confronted Martin.
Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / Re: O'Mara on the Dunn Case/
« Last post by nomatter_nevermind on February 15, 2014, 11:49:26 PM »
I haven't followed this case either. I have to wonder if Corey's team again overcharged because the case was high-profile and racially charged.

Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / O'Mara on the Dunn Case/
« Last post by RickyJim on February 15, 2014, 06:47:59 PM »
I didn't follow the case but O'Mara makes lots of sense to me.  It seems that the prosecution had a very good 2nd degree murder case but blew it with a 1st degree charge and weak presentation.   The defense made mistakes too.
Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / George Zimmerman, Celebrity Boxer
« Last post by nomatter_nevermind on January 31, 2014, 03:15:32 PM »

Promoter Damon Feldman says GZ is accepting celebrity boxing challenges. First reported by TMZ, confirmed by ABC. Feldman says GZ's cut will go to charity.

Orlando Sentinel comment



USA Today
Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / Re: George Selling Painting on EBAY
« Last post by RickyJim on December 21, 2013, 06:17:54 PM »
The winning bid was  $100,099.99   I guess the higher ones were withdrawn.  I am surprised that the art critics here haven't said anything.   ;D
Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / Re: Trayvon's Parents Are Planning a Book
« Last post by jeanmarc8 on December 20, 2013, 07:04:44 PM »

I would hope the proposed book includes some reflections from Fulton-Martin-Crump on the outcome of the jury trial. Throughout the lead up to the trial, they seemed convinced of the absolute guilt of GZ and complete innocence of TM, which was not reflected in the jury’s findings. 

F-M-C could blame the defense team for exceeding the appropriate bounds for legal representation to the point of being unprofessional, but their actions do not approach the legal actions that come to mind from another recent high profile, central Florida case. The defense chose not to take the wraps off the school history of TM or publicize the information on the cell phone found at the scene. F-M-C could blame the prosecution for being inept (possibly partly true for other reasons, since the prosecution pursued a case with no verifiable evidence or a witness saying that GZ threw the first punch).  They could blame the prosecution for witnesses like the forensic pathologist whose testimony fizzled, or the speech experts that were ultimately not allowed to testify. But that might lead to questions about why F-M-C did not ensure the prosecution was fully engaged in the case. The prosecution cannot be blamed for the inability of W8/RJ “to connect all the dots” because she was identified by F-M-C. The prosecution seemed agreeable to being interwoven into the F-M-C agenda for the time leading up to the trail. The prosecution certainly did not seem hesitant to take actions on handling evidence that may have approached legal limits, or perhaps even a little beyond. F-M-C could blame the six women in the jury for being “racist”, but that begs the question about the prosecution’s jury selection skills and preparations.

Most likely the topic will not be included in the proposed book, suggesting that the insurance payout from the Homeowner’s Association was the desired endgame, and the rest was just lawyer stagecraft.

Again, IANAL.
Post-Verdict Events and Thoughts / Re: He's Baaack - in jail
« Last post by ThurmanMurman on December 18, 2013, 07:30:28 PM »
Not that it'd be meaningful from a legal standpoint, but yes. LOL, this isn't the vindication that smugness in your post suggests. She wanted to "be" with GZ which a no-contact order prevented. Her lawyer contacts his and she withdraws the serious allegation so the order is lifted, explains she'd felt intimidated by cops when she made her report, and refuses to be a witness in the case. Meanwhile and IMO tellingly GZ's lawyer doesn't use the opportunity to call it a lie, and doesn't press charges. 

As for "no additional evidence," the gun allegation which is the most serious is difficult enough to prove with her testimony. After refusing to participate further in addition to dropping the charges I don't see why they'd put themselves on the line. At this point he can bury her in his backyard and they won't touch it.

At any rate, I'm sure he was just sitting there minding his own. Like always.

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