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Title: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: pyrrho on July 17, 2012, 07:11:44 PM
Though I think it quite likely GZ is guilty of M2, I had to agree a bit ago that O'Mara seemed to be a little weak in the rhetorical advocacy, basically going with the lies as such... but then that drew Lester into anger, and gave O'Mara a ground to move for him to take for himself off the case.  I think this is just to put something over Lester and more importantly, O'Mara has done the "set up ground for an appeal" part of high powered legal defense.  So I think I'm back to realizing O'Mara knows more what he's doing that I.  Any thoughts on this?  I'm curious... at the conservativetreehouse they think he's either incompetant, in a conspiracy against GZ, or both.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: vegas on July 17, 2012, 09:07:58 PM
I like Mr. O'Mara calm demeanor. He seems capable to me. What does Jeralyn think?
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: TalkLeft on July 17, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
I like Mr. O'Mara calm demeanor. He seems capable to me. What does Jeralyn think?

I don't know him personally.  I've been critical of a few strategic decisions, but then again, I'm not privy to all the facts he is. I certainly don't think he's incompetent or unethical or looking out for anyone other than his client.  I think he's capable, beyond that I can't say.  I guess I'm reserving judgment
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: DebFrmHell on July 19, 2012, 08:53:13 PM
He will be a lot better if he can ditch his client?  Since he signed on Pro Bono, can he, in effect, fire his client.  I think it is readily apparent that GZ is making a mockery of his years of practice and reputation.

Just IMO. 

Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: unitron on July 19, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
I'm starting to wonder if the question isn't will he still be Zimmerman's lawyer by the time this finally goes to trial?

Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: RedSledgehammer on July 20, 2012, 03:17:42 PM
I'd honestly like to know what Jerelyn thinks of O'Mara allowing Zimmerman to speak with Sean Hannity on national TV. Is this ever a good idea? I mean if there is one minor inconsistency in Zimmerman's interview, the prosecution can blow it up and make him sound like a liar.

I'm skeptical of O'Mara's ability to handle this case. However, Don West seems to admire him and West has handled a high-profile murder case before. So we shall see. If O'Mara fails to get Zimmerman immunity at SYG, I'd be looking for a new lawyer.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: Cylinder on July 20, 2012, 03:47:20 PM
George is a nightmare client. He's hard to control.

So what's the evidence of Zimmerman acting against O'Mara's wishes? The new narrative will require evidence. We're watching this time.

Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: Lousy1 on July 20, 2012, 04:54:37 PM
So what's the evidence of Zimmerman acting against O'Mara's wishes? The new narrative will require evidence. We're watching this time.
I agree, please see my comments ( in the context of of the other  thread)

http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2085.msg97907.html#msg97907 (http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2085.msg97907.html#msg97907)
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Is it possible  that the defense may now believe that the biggest obstacle to Zimmerman's release via a SYG hearing is not legal?
They may believe that a Judge may harbor ( extra legal - but understandable)  reservations based on fears of civil unrest ( Ala Rodney King) subsequent to that ruling.

If so correcting public perceptions may be their first priority.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: txantimedia on July 21, 2012, 07:59:43 PM
So what's the evidence of Zimmerman acting against O'Mara's wishes? The new narrative will require evidence. We're watching this time.
The client is in control, not the lawyer.  If the lawyer advises the client not to do something and the client does it anyway, the lawyer can't do a thing about it, except refuse to represent the client any more.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: vegas on July 21, 2012, 10:00:17 PM
The client is in control, not the lawyer.  If the lawyer advises the client not to do something and the client does it anyway, the lawyer can't do a thing about it, except refuse to represent the client any more.
And it is George's life.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: dragon ash on July 22, 2012, 07:35:52 AM
If I were O'Mara I'd drop him as a client. Giving a public interview while a case is still pending is about the worst thing you can do. Note that O'Mara stopped some of the questions when it related to the pending perjury charge against George's wife. You now why that is? Because giving public statements on a pending criminal case is a really really bad idea.

By repeating his statement so publicly some months after the shooting, George has essentially forfeited the right to claim 'faulty memory' or 'mis-remembering' when confronted at trial with contradictions. If the initial interviews etc. after the shooting were his only statements, he could possibly claim 'emotional stress from the incident' or some other hogwash, but when he repeats his statements several months later, that's his story - what State is going to point out that George is saying, he was in perfectly fine shape after the shooting to remember various details, such as realizing his jacket and shirt had come up when he wriggled to expose his firearm. Or that he felt Martins' hand leave his mouth and move down the side of his shirt.

Even (or...especially) if he's as innocent as the new fallen snow, giving a public interview is a bad, bad idea even if you come across as the next Dalai Lama - you're not trying to convince Joe Blow Public you're a great guy, you're trying to get six people in the jury box to believe you.

And in George's case I think he came across pretty poorly.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: Cylinder on July 22, 2012, 08:41:12 AM
If I were O'Mara I'd drop him as a client.

Once again, where is the evidence that Zimmerman is acting against O'Mara's wishes? Clearly MOM has a media strategy. He's launched a webite, invited media requests, and appears at least once a week to comment on this case. 

You assume it is one thing to set up your attack against Zimmerman. Where's the evidence?

Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: Lousy1 on July 22, 2012, 08:59:42 AM
Once again, where is the evidence that Zimmerman is acting against O'Mara's wishes? Clearly MOM has a media strategy. He's launched a webite, invited media requests, and appears at least once a week to comment on this case. 

You assume it is one thing to set up your attack against Zimmerman. Where's the evidence?

The attack seems to be reflexive.
 Quite a few of us now seem to agree that  the case is almost a slam dunk legally for a SYG dismissal. However a judge ( being human) may balk at triggering a Rodney King type outburst. If O'Mara shares that opinion (  he would have better insight as to the mindset of the courthouse ) then a controlled go public strategy might reverse many common misconceptions orchestrated by the Martin family/team.
It seems well advised.


Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: dragon ash on July 22, 2012, 10:01:19 AM
Once again, where is the evidence that Zimmerman is acting against O'Mara's wishes? Clearly MOM has a media strategy. He's launched a webite, invited media requests, and appears at least once a week to comment on this case. 

You assume it is one thing to set up your attack against Zimmerman. Where's the evidence?
I'm not saying he's necessarily acting against O'Mara's wishes.

I'd be shocked if O'Mara advised George to do that interview. There's a reason it's not done.
Title: Does George listen to O'Mara?
Post by: IgnatiusJDonnelly on July 23, 2012, 07:14:10 AM
So what's the evidence of Zimmerman acting against O'Mara's wishes? The new narrative will require evidence. We're watching this time.


Barbara Walters revealed on Thursday that she had rejected demands made by Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman in exchange for an interview.

The New York Post reported on Thursday that Walters had traveled down to Florida with the intention of interviewing Zimmerman, but walked away after he requested that ABC get him a hotel room for a month.

Walters was not competing for the first interview with Zimmerman, as he had already granted that privilege to Fox News' Sean Hannity. Hannity's interview aired on Wednesday night.

Walters confirmed much of the Post's story on Thursday's "View." She explained that Zimmerman's lawyer, whom she referred to as "effective," confirmed Tuesday night that Zimmerman would do an interview. Walters said that Zimmerman was going to tape an interview with Hannity before sitting down with her. Walters said Hannity "had been very supportive to [Zimmerman] in the past and George Zimmerman told me that he was very grateful, and I appreciated his loyalty to Hannity."

Walters agreed that her interview would tape and air after Zimmerman sat down with Hannity. She said that she had then flown down to Florida for the interview.

When Walters and her team arrived in Florida, she said that Zimmerman came in dressed in a t-shirt, rather than a suit. "That should have been my first clue," she said.

According to Walters, Zimmerman said that the plans had changed, and he was refusing to do the interview unless ABC granted him one request. Walters refused to confirm that he had requested a month-long stay in a hotel. "It was a condition that, being a member of ABC News, I was unable to grant," she said.

Walters described Zimmerman as "desperate for money" and "very worried about his family." She also said he was "polite, soft-spoken, stubborn." She said that his lawyers "wanted him to do the interview."


The drama took a bizarre twist when Walters announced that Zimmerman wanted to call into the show to speak to Walters. "He wouldn't do the interview, but now he has something to say," she said, later adding, "This has been an interesting day, to say the least."

She then pointedly refused to put him on air. "Mr. Zimmerman, if you could not do the interview yesterday, I donít think we should do a quick one today," she said. "In the future if you feel differently, we will consider it.Ē

Though she did not acknowledge that there had been any monetary request made of the network, Walters has asserted in the past that ABC News does not pay for interviews.

In July 2011, ABC News chief Ben Sherwood announced that the network would stop licensing photos, since questions about payment would inevitably follow after ABC News nabbed a major interview.

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Trayvon Martin Photos
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 23, 2012, 07:17:46 AM
Is Walters really the best source for unbiased news and opinion?
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: IgnatiusJDonnelly on July 23, 2012, 07:28:57 AM
Well if she claimed GZ repeatedly slammed her head into the turnbuckle, then gave her the Irish whip,
then leaped off the top rope for the pin, I probably wouldn't believe her.


How did I know what your answer would be? :D
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: dragon ash on July 23, 2012, 07:34:21 AM
Is Walters really the best source for unbiased news and opinion?
Has Team Zimmerman denied her claim?
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 23, 2012, 07:39:05 AM
Well if she claimed GZ repeatedly slammed her head into the turnbuckle, then gave her the Irish whip,
then leaped off the top rope for the pin, I probably wouldn't believe her.


How did I know what your answer would be? :D

Yeah, but is it because of this case or is it from watching her work for the past few decades?  8) ;D

Meh. I couldn't tell you exactly when my first memory of Walters is from, but I know I've never been impressed by her journalism skills--to the point where if she suddenly broke ranks and came out strongly for George I'd have to take a few days to reexamine the evidence.
LMAO!
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 23, 2012, 07:41:32 AM
Has Team Zimmerman denied her claim?


I actually think O'Mara clarified it some.

Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: leftwig on July 23, 2012, 07:46:05 AM
I'd have to question Walters' statement that MOM wanted Z to do the interview with her.  I can't imagine any lawyer would want a client who has been charged with murder to ever say anything public.  I'd have to assume MOM went to the Hannity interview kicking and screaming.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: IgnatiusJDonnelly on July 23, 2012, 07:58:51 AM
I'd have to question Walters' statement that MOM wanted Z to do the interview with her.  I can't imagine any lawyer would want a client who has been charged with murder to ever say anything public.  I'd have to assume MOM went to the Hannity interview kicking and screaming.


Yes, but trying to back out at the last minute if certain conditions weren't met i'm guessing wasn't MOM's idea either.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: dragon ash on July 23, 2012, 08:12:20 AM
I'd have to question Walters' statement that MOM wanted Z to do the interview with her.  I can't imagine any lawyer would want a client who has been charged with murder to ever say anything public.  I'd have to assume MOM went to the Hannity interview kicking and screaming.
True - but I'm guessing MOM realized that the reason Walters turned them down could go public. Doesn't really look good if the demand was a month-long hotel stay for someone not being interviewed.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: leftwig on July 23, 2012, 08:19:34 AM
If the truth were widely known about his demand, it would help his cause more than doing the interview.  I mean who isn't going to sympathize with a man trying to provide shelter and protection for his wife?
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: Cylinder on July 23, 2012, 09:03:23 AM
...i'm guessing...

You are correct.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: unitron on July 23, 2012, 05:36:46 PM
If the truth were widely known about his demand, it would help his cause more than doing the interview.  I mean who isn't going to sympathize with a man trying to provide shelter and protection for his wife?

That depends on just how expensive a room we're talking, and what limits, if any, on room service.

Since Walters has refused to comment publicly on what the demand/request/condition/whatever was, not only do we not know the answer to my first sentence, we don't even know if it's relevent.

Has anyone in a position to know said anything publicly about what it was Zimmerman wanted, or are we just dealing with a rumor from who knows where?
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 23, 2012, 05:40:33 PM
That depends on just how expensive a room we're talking, and what limits, if any, on room service.

Since Walters has refused to comment publicly on what the demand/request/condition/whatever was, not only do we not know the answer to my first sentence, we don't even know if it's relevent.

Has anyone in a position to know said anything publicly about what it was Zimmerman wanted, or are we just dealing with a rumor from who knows where?

O'Mara went into it during an interview.

That's been discussed already.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: unitron on July 23, 2012, 06:35:08 PM
O'Mara went into it during an interview.

That's been discussed already.

Thanks.

I wonder if Zimmerman told O'Mara in advance of the request he planned to make of ABC, and, if so, what O'Mara had to say about that.

Zimmerman might not have known that real news outfits don't pay for interviews, but you'd think O'Mara would know that.

Did Zimmerman make that request of ABC only after asking Fox for the same thing and getting turned down?

Did he make any requests of Fox before granting them an interview?

If so, I wonder what they were.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 23, 2012, 06:45:54 PM
Thanks.

I wonder if Zimmerman told O'Mara in advance of the request he planned to make of ABC, and, if so, what O'Mara had to say about that.

Zimmerman might not have known that real news outfits don't pay for interviews, but you'd think O'Mara would know that.

Did Zimmerman make that request of ABC only after asking Fox for the same thing and getting turned down?

Did he make any requests of Fox before granting them an interview?

If so, I wonder what they were.

George asked for a hotel room for his wife. He's afraid he's running out of money and he's paranoid that he's going to be rearrested (because Lester left the door wiiiiide open for it) and he's afraid for her safety.

ABC and other news outlets do indeed "pay" for interviews. They pay for travel, food, lodging etc. It's not like George asked for $25,000.00 cash.

Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: unitron on July 23, 2012, 07:33:22 PM
George asked for a hotel room for his wife. He's afraid he's running out of money and he's paranoid that he's going to be rearrested (because Lester left the door wiiiiide open for it) and he's afraid for her safety.

ABC and other news outlets do indeed "pay" for interviews. They pay for travel, food, lodging etc. It's not like George asked for $25,000.00 cash.

They pay to facilitate interviews, if you have to go to them.

If they wanted Zimmerman to come to New York, they wouldn't have told him "Better get an early start, hitchhiking ain't what it used to be".

If they come to you, they'll give you a ride to and from the local affiliate's studios if they do the interview there, but that'd be about it.

They have to avoid the appearance that they monetarily influenced your answers in any way.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 23, 2012, 07:39:21 PM
They pay to facilitate interviews, if you have to go to them.

If they wanted Zimmerman to come to New York, they wouldn't have told him "Better get an early start, hitchhiking ain't what it used to be".

If they come to you, they'll give you a ride to and from the local affiliate's studios if they do the interview there, but that'd be about it.

They have to avoid the appearance that they monetarily influenced your answers in any way.

And one of the reports (and now it seems no one is talking about it anymore) was that they wanted GZ to go to NY to appear with Walters.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: unitron on July 23, 2012, 08:04:31 PM
And one of the reports (and now it seems no one is talking about it anymore) was that they wanted GZ to go to NY to appear with Walters.

Is it possible Zimmerman thought Walters came all the way down to Florida just to talk to him about coming up to New York?
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: Lousy1 on July 23, 2012, 08:07:06 PM
After intensive study, fact checking and hours of reference checking into this matter

I don't know. I don't care.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 23, 2012, 08:09:35 PM
Is it possible Zimmerman thought Walters came all the way down to Florida just to talk to him about coming up to New York?

According to initial reports (un-named sources etc, the usual) from both Walters camp and Camp Zimmerman, yes, that's exactly what she did.

Now--is that the final absolute truth? Who the heck knows.

And, like Lousy--I don't care anymore.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: DebFrmHell on August 18, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
I have to wonder why MOM is starting his depositions with emergency responders.

He has three things to contend with in the Probable Cause.

Dee Dee
Sybrina Fulton
The witness (I forget the number) who saw a chase.

Why doesn't he go there first?
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: MJW on August 18, 2012, 11:16:15 PM
I have to wonder why MOM is starting his depositions with emergency responders.

He has three things to contend with in the Probable Cause.

Dee Dee
Sybrina Fulton
The witness (I forget the number) who saw a chase.

Why doesn't he go there first?

I think O'Mara is doing exactly the right thing in regard to witness order. He shouldn't interview DeeDee or Futon or any other potentially hostile witness until he has all the discovery and has interviewed every background witness. He probably has only one shot at most witnesses, and he needs to know everything he can about the case before grilling the ones who may try to keep things from him.
Title: Re: Is O'Mara Good
Post by: DebFrmHell on August 18, 2012, 11:41:08 PM
I think O'Mara is doing exactly the right thing in regard to witness order. He shouldn't interview DeeDee or Futon or any other potentially hostile witness until he has all the discovery and has interviewed every background witness. He probably has only one shot at most witnesses, and he needs to know everything he can about the case before grilling the ones who may try to keep things from him.

That makes perfect sense.  I never really thought of it that way.  Thank you for the input.