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George Zimmerman Trial Coverage => Verdict Watch and Reactions => Topic started by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 12:53:39 AM

Title: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 12:53:39 AM
As I mentioned on another thread, I woke up about 12:00 AM EDT, and heard the verdict on CNN. I flipped between CNN and HLN for a few minutes before getting on the computer.

I saw some video of what looked like a pretty big, and peaceful, march in San Francisco. Reports of calm from around the country.

After reading and posting here, I looked over Twitter. TM family's lawyers making upbeat comments, Sanford is (somehow) a better place because of this (Jackson), we must learn lessons so this kind of thing doesn't happen again (Crump). Crump made an appeal for peace. Parks said TM's parents were in a 'safe location' when the verdict was read, not in court on advice of their lawyers.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 01:37:04 AM
This will probably be my first post-verdict deletion, but I'm feeling compelled to share with the gang. I checked out Leatherman. Yes, I have a taste for schadenfreude. No apologies.

Like Rachel Jeantel's testimony, it's funnier than I expected. They're turning on each other.

Leatherman himself posted a brief reaction. The verdict is tragic and 'just so wrong', condolences to TM's family, analysis in 'coming days'.

Enter the commenters. One asked what's wrong with Florida, another said it's any place with white people, provoking a rousing defense of Canada. Then various commenters opined on which U.S. states would, and which would not, let 'the murderer' walk.

That's when they started calling calling each other racist. Something about a lawn jockey.

I didn't see that coming. That joke sure is on me. I thought better of them.

I thought I would just sample the comments, but now I'm thinking I might read all 600+ of them. This is entertainment.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 02:19:32 AM
Twitter reporting people protesting the verdict in Oakland have smashed some windows. The Oakland Tribune on Broadway and 20th is named (photos 1 (https://twitter.com/JohnAlstonABC7/status/356309525470519298/photo/1), 2 (https://twitter.com/NewsBreaker/status/356299650459906049/photo/1)). Not clear if that's the only building.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 14, 2013, 06:25:16 AM
This will probably be my first post-verdict deletion, but I'm feeling compelled to share with the gang. I checked out Leatherman. Yes, I have a taste for schadenfreude. No apologies.

Like Rachel Jeantel's testimony, it's funnier than I expected. They're turning on each other.

Leatherman himself posted a brief reaction. The verdict is tragic and 'just so wrong', condolences to TM's family, analysis in 'coming days'.

Enter the commenters. One asked what's wrong with Florida, another said it's any place with white people, provoking a rousing defense of Canada. Then various commenters opined on which U.S. states would, and which would not, let 'the murderer' walk.

That's when they started calling calling each other racist. Something about a lawn jockey.

I didn't see that coming. That joke sure is on me. I thought better of them.

I thought I would just sample the comments, but now I'm thinking I might read all 600+ of them. This is entertainment.

Other than your mad, ocd attention to detail, I'm beginning to think we're the same person.  ;D
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: cboldt on July 14, 2013, 06:36:11 AM
I thought I would just sample the comments, but now I'm thinking I might read all 600+ of them. This is entertainment.

Totally expected reaction on the part of the people who have such strong confirmation bias that simple facts are rejected over and over and over.  Somehow the thought that Martin might have actually looked suspicious (even to them!) escapes their memory and thought process.  Somehow a beat down against a pudgy guy who isn't capable of (and is likely unwilling) striking back, who is screaming for help, is "doing nothing wrong."

Notice how many members of the press are similarly reality challenged.  That's what I find most fascinating.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: RickyJim on July 14, 2013, 06:58:22 AM
Is the Corey/Prosecution post verdict press conference available,, in its entirety, online?  I have just found snippets.  TIA.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 14, 2013, 07:50:08 AM
Is the Corey/Prosecution post verdict press conference available,, in its entirety, online?  I have just found snippets.  TIA.

The only one I've found so far is 7 minutes and some seconds long and is missing the opening statements by all the attorneys (at least). There are two versions of that one on youtube.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: RickyJim on July 14, 2013, 08:44:15 AM
I thought I would just sample the comments, but now I'm thinking I might read all 600+ of them. This is entertainment.
Under the title,
George Zimmerman Not Guilty: Jury Lets Trayvon Martin Killer Go
the Huffington Post story  (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-not-guilty_n_3588743.html?utm_hp_ref=trayvon-martin)has over 28000 comments at around 10:30AM EDT.  Surprisingly the HuffPost moderators have been letting more anti Crump team comments through than they used to.  They also have a nice slide show (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/14/george-zimmerman-media-reactions_n_3593233.html?ir=Black+Voices&ref=topbar) of the media reaction.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: RickyJim on July 14, 2013, 09:08:35 AM
This version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA_fxmm1Ryo) of the Corey Press Conference seems to be complete.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: DebFrmHell on July 14, 2013, 09:22:34 AM
This will probably be my first post-verdict deletion, but I'm feeling compelled to share with the gang. I checked out Leatherman. Yes, I have a taste for schadenfreude. No apologies.

Like Rachel Jeantel's testimony, it's funnier than I expected. They're turning on each other.

Leatherman himself posted a brief reaction. The verdict is tragic and 'just so wrong', condolences to TM's family, analysis in 'coming days'.

Enter the commenters. One asked what's wrong with Florida, another said it's any place with white people, provoking a rousing defense of Canada. Then various commenters opined on which U.S. states would, and which would not, let 'the murderer' walk.

That's when they started calling calling each other racist. Something about a lawn jockey.

I didn't see that coming. That joke sure is on me. I thought better of them.

I thought I would just sample the comments, but now I'm thinking I might read all 600+ of them. This is entertainment.

Ain't they just a kick in the butt?  I have gone over there a few times during the trial and went away wondering if they were on another channel.  Total disconnect from facts.

I shouldn't laugh at them but I think it is indicative of the ProTM boards that are cloaked in privacy.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 14, 2013, 09:33:58 AM
This version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA_fxmm1Ryo) of the Corey Press Conference seems to be complete.

Thanks Ricky. I didn't get to see the whole thing last night.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 10:14:11 AM

Fox News: (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/14/george-zimmerman-acquitted-murder-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-death/) 'Protests of Zimmerman verdict mostly peaceful; sporadic vandalism reported'.

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Most of the California demonstrations proved peaceful, although matters were marred by sporadic reports of stray violence and vandalism, including the halt of a passenger train, the burning of American and California flags, the lighting of small fires in city roadways, shattered storefront windows and the spray painting of a courthouse, as well as the damaging of a police squad car.

In Oakland, police said about 100 people protested, with some among the crowd breaking windows and starting fires in the streets. As the protest eventually fizzled, the office of police information added that it had no word of any arrests as of 2 a.m. local time.

However, some Oakland marchers reportedly vandalized a police squad car, and police were -- at one point - forced to form a line to block the protesters' path.

The Oakland Tribune reported some downtown office windows had been shattered, and footage from a television helicopter portrayed people starting fires in the street and spray painting anti-police graffiti. Protesters, there, also reportedly burned an American, and California state flag and spray painted Alameda County's Davidson courthouse.

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Meanwhile, in Florida, media outlets reported mostly subdued sadness, and no violence or large gatherings.

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Outside the Seminole County courthouse, where the trial took place, the Orlando Sentinel reported that a bewildered crowd of about 150 received the not-guilty verdict with chants of, "No justice, no peace."

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Supporters of Martin's family who had gathered outside the courthouse yelled out "No! No!" when the verdict was announced. "Today, justice failed Trayvon Martin and his family," said Roslyn M. Brock, Chairman of the NAACP, in a statement. "We call immediately for the Justice Department to conduct an investigation into the civil rights violations committed against Trayvon Martin. This case has re-energized the movement to end racial profiling in the United States."
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: woodchuck64 on July 14, 2013, 10:36:52 AM
Are there no civil-rights leaders with the moral courage to simply affirm the verdict, admit that the case shouldn't have been brought and move on to actual racial injustices?  Surely one of them has actually read the details and studied the case.

Despite Obama's minor misstep in this case, I still feel he's someone who has consistently handled complex racial issues with calm rationality instead of overheated emotional rhetoric.  I look forward to hearing if he has something to say on this issue, perhaps right after the Justice department declines to  prosecute Zimmerman.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 14, 2013, 10:46:01 AM
Are there no civil-rights leaders with the moral courage to simply affirm the verdict, admit that the case shouldn't have been brought and move on to actual racial injustices?  Surely one of them has actually read the details and studied the case.

Despite Obama's minor misstep in this case, I still feel he's someone who has consistently handled complex racial issues with calm rationality instead of overheated emotional rhetoric.  I look forward to hearing if he has something to say on this issue, perhaps right after the Justice department declines to  prosecute Zimmerman.

Please don't. I can scarcely resist the temptation, and Jeralyn doesn't like political arguments 'round here.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 10:46:25 AM
Now posted at the White House website.

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WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:

Civil Rights Prosecution of George Zimmerman by United
States Department of Justice for death of Trayvon Martin


Petition Requesting Prosecution of George Zimmerman for depriving Trayvon Martin of his Constitutional
Rights of Life and Liberty by the United States Department of Justice, Eric Holder, United States Attorney
General in United States District Court as swiftly and expeditiously as is possible.
Created: Jul 14, 2013

I don't think the DOJ will act. Some time ago I researched this, and found that they had declined cases that in my opinion are stronger than this one.

They would also need evidence of racial motivation to bring such a case against a private person, and no such evidence is known to have been found.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Evil Chinchilla on July 14, 2013, 11:41:13 AM
I don't think the DOJ will act. Some time ago I researched this, and found that they had declined cases that in my opinion are stronger than this one.

Was that declining by the DOJ in general and historically, or specifically just under Holder and Obama?
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Redbrow on July 14, 2013, 11:43:40 AM
The NAACP trying to conflate this into a racial issue is doing an injustice to real racial injusices, both past and future.
Someone needs to send Jealous a copy of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 11:50:05 AM
Was that declining by the DOJ in general and historically, or specifically just under Holder and Obama?

Good question. I don't recall now if any of the cases I looked into were post 2008. But I doubt Obama/Holder want to embarrass themselves with a politically charged case that they can't win, and that politically neutral legal commentators will point out is extremely weak by historical standards.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 12:08:04 PM
Miami reporter Christina Vazquez tweets 'Zimmerman petition overwhelms NAACP website'.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 12:51:14 PM
Leatherman commenter:
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It should have been 0 gun owners on that jury.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 12:57:11 PM
I've been trying to get a look at the NAACP petition. Sure enough, server is down or overloaded.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 14, 2013, 01:08:29 PM
Harry Reid says that, while he respects the jury and their decision, "this is not over."

*yawn*.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 01:34:38 PM
I heard on TV (channel flipping) that President Obama had made a public comment on the verdict. I've been looking for confirmation and a verbatim quote on the web, but no luck so far.

It seems it was routine, the jury has spoken, this is our system, that kind of thing. I think nothing about DOJ action either way.

ETA: It popped up on Twitter.

Statement by the President (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/07/14/statement-president)

July 14, 2013

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The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy.  Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America.  I know this case has elicited strong passions.  And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher.  But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken.  I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son.  And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities.  We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.  We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this.  As citizens, that’s a job for all of us.  That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 14, 2013, 02:02:35 PM
Gun control for Trayvon!

Never mind that George had a legally purchased and carried firearm and the verdict by itself means they believe he acted in self defense (or that the prosecution didn't prove he didn't. I'm not sure how or where to draw that line).

How about, instead of gun control for Trayvon, a push to try and have there be fewer late teen-early twenties kids that would want to attack someone?


Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 02:38:47 PM
Associated Press (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/justice-dept-zimmerman-case-under-review) reports that the Justice Dept. has issued a statement. I would call it a boilerplate 'under consideration' assurance.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department says it is looking into the shooting death of Trayvon Martin to determine whether federal prosecutors should file criminal civil rights charges now that George Zimmerman has been acquitted in the state case.

The department opened an investigation into Martin's death last year but stepped aside to allow the state prosecution to proceed.

In a statement Sunday, the Justice Department said the criminal section of the civil rights division, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office for the Middle District of Florida are continuing to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal probe, in addition to the evidence and testimony from the state trial.

The statement said that, in the government's words, "experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation."
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 03:01:47 PM
At Leatherman's, commenters are fantasizing that investigation will prove the jury was fixed, opening the way for GZ to be tried again.

I think that is correct on the law. If the jury was fixed, the defendant wasn't in jeopardy. That's a retroactive mistrial, acquittal set aside, defendant may be charged and tried again.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: woodchuck64 on July 14, 2013, 03:20:13 PM
Quoting Obama:
We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.  We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this.

He's shifting the blame from race to guns.  No matter where you are on gun laws, it still seems better to take this tack than to be inciting hatred between blacks and whites. 

Meanwhile, Leatherman seems to be reaping what he's sown.  Comment from "Eric":
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"Please stop acting like this is a Florida problem. It’s a wherever white people are problem."

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: DebFrmHell on July 14, 2013, 03:32:17 PM
I've been trying to get a look at the NAACP petition. Sure enough, server is down or overloaded.

I wanted to look too since I got an email from BJealous around midnight.  It doesn't have a read more.  It just has a sign this petition button.  I am afraid to click on that because it is not a petition that I care to sign.

It was overloading this morning but is operational this afternoon.  I went in thru Google though.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 14, 2013, 03:50:11 PM
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Attorney General Eric Holder,

The Department of Justice has closely monitored the State of Florida's prosecution of the case against George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin murder since it began. Today, with the acquittal of George Zimmerman, it is time for the Department of Justice to act.

The most fundamental of civil rights — the right to life — was violated the night George Zimmerman stalked and then took the life of Trayvon Martin. We ask that the Department of Justice file civil rights charges against Mr. Zimmerman for this egregious violation.

Please address the travesties of the tragic death of Trayvon Martin by acting today.

Thank you.


It's being mirrored at move on dot org now.

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/open-a-civil-rights-case
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: DebFrmHell on July 14, 2013, 04:16:29 PM
I am waiting to see if Sybrina Fulton or Tracy Martin will pursue a civil action against Zimmerman.

I can't see how that would make things better (winnable) since the texts, phone records including nude underage females and gun purchase inquiries would be fully disclosed.

Zimmerman it would seem had a rough year in 2005 but what is there to hold against him this decade since he was acquitted of Murder2 and Manslaughter?
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: RickyJim on July 14, 2013, 06:34:11 PM
What about the Richardson hearing on discovery violations that was delayed until the trial was over?  Has it been scheduled?  I wonder if the media will cover it.  Since 776.032 seems to only offer compensation to Zimmerman for civil action, I guess the next step is to try to pay the bills via NBC (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/07/14/zimmerman-lawyer-to-move-asap-against-nbc-news/).
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 06:43:24 PM
About three hours ago, Matt Gutman tweeted
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Zimmerman to get his gun back, needs it more than ever his lawyer Mark O'Mara tells ABC.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 14, 2013, 06:44:56 PM
About three hours ago, Matt Gutman tweeted

Did Nelson say she wasn't releasing the ammunition, or was that before, when the jurors started deliberating?
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 06:57:57 PM
Did Nelson say she wasn't releasing the ammunition, or was that before, when the jurors started deliberating?

Nelson didn't want the jurors to have the gun and ammunition in the deliberation room at the same time, for safety reasons.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 14, 2013, 06:59:54 PM
Thanks. I couldn't remember exactly when she'd said it.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 14, 2013, 09:53:43 PM

NAACP Petition (http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition)

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OPEN A CIVIL RIGHTS CASE AGAINST GEORGE ZIMMERMAN

A jury has acquitted George Zimmerman, but we are not done demanding justice for Trayvon. Sign our petition to the Department of Justice today.

Attorney General Eric Holder,

The Department of Justice has closely monitored the State of Florida's prosecution of the case against George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin murder since it began. Today, with the acquittal of George Zimmerman, it is time for the Department of Justice to act.

The most fundamental of civil rights — the right to life — was violated the night George Zimmerman stalked and then took the life of Trayvon Martin. We ask that the Department of Justice file civil rights charges against Mr. Zimmerman for this egregious violation.

Please address the travesties of the tragic death of Trayvon Martin by acting today.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 15, 2013, 04:18:07 AM
On Twitter yesterday evening (Sunday, 7/14/13).
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Thousands converge on Times Square outraged over Zimmerman verdict. Traffic stopped.

Photos 1 (https://twitter.com/NewsBreaker/status/356579455109586944/photo/1), 2. (https://twitter.com/AnthonyJHayes/status/356597729100713984/photo/1)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 15, 2013, 05:13:51 AM
NAACP Petition (http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition)

Yeah. I posted it for you yesterday right after you said you hadn't been able to find it. You're welcome for me taking the time.  :(
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: MikeB on July 15, 2013, 07:00:06 AM
Maybe turning this into a racial suit would benefit Zimmerman. He is a Hispanic who was called a racial slur before being attacked.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Evil Chinchilla on July 15, 2013, 10:01:33 AM
Maybe I'm wrong about this, but didn't the FBI do a lot of digging into GZ's internet activities, in addition to interviewing a lot of people that knew him, and came up with no indication of racism?

Was there some sort of official "we found nothing" statement-- or was there simply the statement that the FBI had looked into him, coupled with no indication that the state received anything that they could-- or did-- use in the trial?

And were W9's "molestation" claim and the statements of GZ's ex who filed the restraining order made with the FBI, or were those statements made to other investigators for the state?

If my memory is correct that the FBI put it on the record that they looked but found nothing, then IMO the statement from the DOJ is nothing more than an attempt to placate the BGI, and any further action is DOA and they ought to say so PDQ.

(Oh, yeah, and LS/MFT. Just for anyone old enough for AARP.)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 15, 2013, 10:18:58 AM
Yes. Drudge has a huge compendium of links about Zimmerman, including stories about how the FBI already determined he wasn't a racist, and how Serino told the FBI GZ wasn't a racist and so forth.


I'm really tired of the way things are.

A white kid makes a stupid comment in an on line video game and he's arrested and facing several years in jail (he said he was going to shoot up a school or something, then he clarified it with j/k and so forth...but he got arrested for making a terroristic threat.

A black kid says he's going to shoot up a school because he's pissed about GZ being found not guilty, and it's no big deal. Black athletes tweet things like "the jury should go home and kill themselves"...nothin'.

But a hispanic guy killed a black guy in self defense, it must be racist.

Tiresome. And aggravating. Annoying, even.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: RickyJim on July 15, 2013, 10:49:07 AM
How about something to make your blood boil?  I challenge anyone to actually get through this 34 minute discussion (http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/whats-the-impact-of-george-zimmermans-verdict/51e026d82b8c2a7b04000256) that includes college professors.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 15, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
The FBI interview of GZ's ex is 140-44/284. (http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf)

The ex's mother was also interviewed by the FBI, 139/284.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 15, 2013, 12:42:17 PM
Audio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocy3xqekD1U) of W-9's FDLE interview.

What's that got to do with "verdict reactions"?
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 15, 2013, 02:50:08 PM
Maybe I'm wrong about this, but didn't the FBI do a lot of digging into GZ's internet activities, in addition to interviewing a lot of people that knew him, and came up with no indication of racism?

My understanding is that only a fraction of the reports generated by the FBI have been included in the discovery.

In the discovery, I don't think there is anything suggesting racism against blacks. There is the social media with negative remarks about 'Mexicans'. There is an interview, I think FDLE, with a former co-worker of GZ's who is of middle eastern background. He said GZ sometimes mocked him with ethnic stereotypes. But I don't think such issues with non-black minorities would be relevant for a federal civil rights prosecution.

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Was there some sort of official "we found nothing" statement

I don't think so. Certainly I've never seen such a thing.

I don't think it is the usual practice of the FBI to make such statements. I also don't think the FBI investigation of GZ has been completed.

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no indication that the state received anything that they could-- or did-- use in the trial

I wouldn't assume there is identity between what the state could use at trial to suggest hatred, spite, etc., and what the DOJ could use to get into federal court with a civil rights prosecution. The bar might be lower for the latter.

On another site, I've seen the allegation that GZ's on-line fundraising has included some CTH type rhetoric. I can imagine that would be a sufficient hook, if its use is not precluded by its being after-the-fact. I don't know anything about the relevant case law.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 15, 2013, 03:56:53 PM
After thinking about all the complaints about there not being any blacks on the jury, I am thankful there were not.  For they surely would have received the same despicable treatment that Joe Oliver did; Uncle Tom, race traitors, etc., etc.  I believe any black who sat on that jury would have come to the same conclusion that the jurors did.  While what happened was tragic, Zimmerman did not violate any laws of the State of Florida and was not guilty of the charges brought against him.

Nothing can diminish the truth that a young life was lost, and I can't imagine the pain that the Martin's must feel.  But the unbelievable furor that was ginned up over this case diminishes Trayvon's death just as much as it destroys Zimmerman's life.  There are no winners and no resolution to the pain on either side.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Lousy1 on July 15, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
After thinking about all the complaints about there not being any blacks on the jury, I am thankful there were not.  For they surely would have received the same despicable treatment that Joe Oliver did; Uncle Tom, race traitors, etc., etc.  I believe any black who sat on that jury would have come to the same conclusion that the jurors did.  While what happened was tragic, Zimmerman did not violate any laws of the State of Florida and was not guilty of the charges brought against him.

Nothing can diminish the truth that a young life was lost, and I can't imagine the pain that the Martin's must feel.  But the unbelievable furor that was ginned up over this case diminishes Trayvon's death just as much as it destroys Zimmerman's life.  There are no winners and no resolution to the pain on either side.


Why are you so confident that adherence to the law would triumph over the rationalizations that accompany a desire for self preservation and other self interests? Could end as a hung jury.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 15, 2013, 06:03:46 PM
I found Rachel believable.  I suspect the jury did too.  Her perjuries were quite understandable and forgivable.

But her testimony didn't change the fact that Trayvon, at the moment he was shot, had been beating Zimmerman for 40 seconds or more, broke his nose and inflicted multiple blunt force trauma injuries on Zimmerman's head.

That fact, testified to by both Zimmerman and John Good, more than any other fact in the trial, justified the verdict.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 15, 2013, 06:06:03 PM

Why are you so confident that adherence to the law would triumph over the rationalizations that accompany a desire for self preservation and other self interests? Could end as a hung jury.
Because the kinds of people who end up on juries are not usually the kind that put their own self preservation and interests above the law.  Regardless of skin color (or gender or any other characteristic) jurors tend to be, for the most part, deliberative bodies that come to the correct conclusion in most cases.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 16, 2013, 07:27:57 AM
Associated Press, 7/16/13 (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/dozen_arrested_freeway_zimmerman_ctOLmbzI8Qh2MaS4w0DEuO)
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Protesters ran through Los Angeles streets Monday night [7/15], breaking windows, attacking people on sidewalks and at one point raiding a Wal-Mart store, while others blocked a major freeway in the San Francisco Bay Area in the third night of demonstrations in California over George Zimmerman's Florida acquittal in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

Thirteen people were arrested after multiple acts of vandalism and several assaults in Los Angeles' Crenshaw District, Mayor Eric Garcetti and Police Chief Charlie Beck said at a news conference.

Garcetti and Beck didn't elaborate on the assaults or any injuries, but at least one man could be seen in the street with a head injury.

. . .

Several hundred mostly peaceful protesters gathered Monday night [7/15] at Leimert Park southwest of downtown LA, many of them chanting, praying and singing.

But a smaller group of between 100 and 150 people splintered off and began blocking traffic on nearby Crenshaw Boulevard, some of them jumping on cars and breaking windows at liquor stores and fast food outlets.

Several protesters ran into a Wal-Mart store, where they knocked down displays before store security chased them out, and police began guarding the door.

. . .

[Photo (http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/2013/07/16/news/web_photos/USATRAYVONMARTINPRAYERRALLY055433--525x300.jpg) caption: A group of people attempt to tear down a fence after attending a prayer rally in the aftermath of the Zimmerman verdict in Los Angeles Monday[7/15].]

TV news helicopters showed some people kicking and punching others along the street, including two people sitting on a bus bench.

Police declared the gathering an unlawful assembly about three hours after it began, and most of the crowd left the street.

. . .

More than a half-dozen people were arrested on charges of vandalism and assault, both felony and misdemeanor, Oakland police spokeswoman Johnna Watson said.

. . .

Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer sent a letter Monday[7/15] to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder supporting the Justice Department decision to review the case to determine whether Martin's civil rights were violated.

CNN, 7/16/13 (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/16/justice/zimmerman-verdict-protests/?hpt=hp_t3)
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A group of protesters in Los Angeles did exactly what critics of George Zimmerman's acquittal didn't want -- they vented their anger through violence.

Police said the group damaged cars and businesses along Crenshaw Boulevard, a major thoroughfare. Officers made 13 arrests.

. . .

Police emphasized that the vast majority of protesters in Los Angeles -- and around the country -- have rallied peacefully since Saturday[7/13] . . . But some Los Angeles protesters hurled rocks, batteries and chunks of concrete toward police over the weekend. Officers responded by shooting bean bags.

And on Monday night [7/15], a protester struck a news photographer in the head with a hard object. The impact knocked the camera out of the hands of the photographer, who works for CNN affiliate KCAL. (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/tag/kcal-9/)

Nine people were arrested in Oakland, California, during protests that ended around midnight, Oakland Police Officer Johnna Watson said early Tuesday morning [7/16].

Some protesters threw rocks, bottles and firecrackers at police, Watson said.

More than 350,000 people have signed a MoveOn.org petition started by the NAACP asking for the Justice Department to file civil rights charges against Zimmerman.

Two petitions to the White House seeking such charges had more than 18,000 signatures between them.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 16, 2013, 07:47:21 AM
It just occurs to me that the media are avoiding the word 'riot', using instead words like 'violence' and 'clash'.

The first time I saw a TV report of violence in LA, I don't recall if it was yesterday or the day before, I failed to confirm it on the web. I think my mistake was to search using only the word 'riot'.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: IgnatiusJDonnelly on July 16, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
Associated Press, 7/16/13 (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/dozen_arrested_freeway_zimmerman_ctOLmbzI8Qh2MaS4w0DEuO)
CNN, 7/16/13 (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/16/justice/zimmerman-verdict-protests/?hpt=hp_t3)

Raiding a walmart?    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 16, 2013, 08:47:11 AM
Raiding a walmart?    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   

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[T]hey knocked down displays before store security chased them out

It seems they found nothing worth stealing.

Maybe they were looking for Skittles.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Redbrow on July 16, 2013, 10:18:52 AM
Maybe The Ministry of Information has requested media not to report riots as such?
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: IgnatiusJDonnelly on July 16, 2013, 10:21:07 AM
As long as Wally world still has Dale Jr. Ts  I am happy.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: DebFrmHell on July 16, 2013, 10:46:03 AM
Because the kinds of people who end up on juries are not usually the kind that put their own self preservation and interests above the law.  Regardless of skin color (or gender or any other characteristic) jurors tend to be, for the most part, deliberative bodies that come to the correct conclusion in most cases.

WAY OFF TOPIC!
I am so glad to see you.  I have been wondering if you were ok.  I lost the link to your site.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 16, 2013, 08:38:57 PM
WAY OFF TOPIC!
I am so glad to see you.  I have been wondering if you were ok.  I lost the link to your site.
Thanks for remembering me.  :)   I'm ok.  My wife is done with the surgeries and radiation and is now cancer free.  I haven't written on the blog since that last post, so losing the link is not big deal.  I don't know if I'll ever write again.  Maybe some day.  If I do, I'll make sure you know.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: DebFrmHell on July 16, 2013, 11:14:36 PM
Thanks for remembering me.  :)   I'm ok.  My wife is done with the surgeries and radiation and is now cancer free.  I haven't written on the blog since that last post, so losing the link is not big deal.  I don't know if I'll ever write again.  Maybe some day.  If I do, I'll make sure you know.

I am happy for you and your wife.  That has been a long haul for you both!  I see you have been giving them a run for the money out on the main board!  That is when I knew I had missed you.

((cyber hugs to you and your family))
Deb

 ;)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: ding7777 on July 17, 2013, 07:24:24 AM
I found Rachel believable.  I suspect the jury did too.  Her perjuries were quite understandable and forgivable.

I thought her testimony was manufactured.  How someone could remember (3 weeks later) a 10 minute conversation in such detail but could not recall anything prior to those 10 minutes does not sound believable.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 17, 2013, 07:33:25 AM
The Baltimore Sun, 7/15/13 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/bs-md-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-monday-20130715,0,4266889.story?obref=obnetwork)
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Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, "This is for Trayvon."

A witness posted the account on a community Facebook page, and police confirmed they are looking into whether the suspects' reaction to the verdict in the Florida trial of George Zimmerman played a part in the incident. A police report on the beating does not mention the alleged comments.

Sgt. Eric Kowalczyk, a police spokesman, declined to go into further detail.

In a post that drew nearly 50 comments on Facebook, real estate agent Christina Dudley said she was walking to her car just before 9 p.m. when she saw several young black males and two black females chasing a 37-year-old Hispanic man west on North Linwood Avenue past East Fairmont Avenue.

"One of the boys had a handgun out and it was pointed at the back of him," Dudley said in an interview.

They caught up to the man at the corner of Fairmount and N. Streeper Street, and the male with the gun beat the victim with what appeared to be his gun while others kicked and stomped him, Dudley said.

"They were just yelling and calling him names as they ran after him, but once they were hitting him and after that they started yelling, "This is for Trayvon, [expletive]," said Dudley, who heard the chant repeated multiple times.

Dudley and a woman walking her dog across the street told the group to stop and warned that they were calling 911. The group scattered before police arrived. Police have no arrests or named suspects.

Using a translator, police spoke to the victim, who knows some English, according to the police report.

. . .

The victim turned and ran before he was caught in the 2800 block of Fairmont and was beaten, police said. He sustained abrasions to his elbows and forearms but refused medical attention.

Police listed all of the suspects involved as black males.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: IgnatiusJDonnelly on July 17, 2013, 07:49:17 AM
I thought her testimony was manufactured.  How someone could remember (3 weeks later) a 10 minute conversation in such detail but could not recall anything prior to those 10 minutes does not sound believable.

Tex was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: RickyJim on July 17, 2013, 08:32:05 AM
I thought her testimony was manufactured.  How someone could remember (3 weeks later) a 10 minute conversation in such detail but could not recall anything prior to those 10 minutes does not sound believable.
Are you really sure she couldn't remember anything of the 10 minutes prior to the last 10?  Was she asked?  I remember posting here, during Rachel's cross examination, all the probative questions West should be asking but didn't.  Undoubtedly, more was learned in her 9 hour deposition than came out in court.  However, I agree that circumstances concerning this witness make me consider her as one not to be taken seriously.  I regard Zimmerman almost as skeptically.  There is other evidence which I think the jury weighted much higher than either - John Good, the debris field, the injuries, the screams.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 17, 2013, 09:17:22 AM
Tex was being sarcastic.
Nope.  I was serious.  Her account matches known parts of the NEN call as well as the timing of events.  There are portions that I discount (her claims regarding the beginning of the encounter), but overall I found her believable.  For example, when she said that Trayvon told her that he was "right by his father's house", I believe she's relating, in her own words, what he told her.  When she said that Trayvon said a creep a$$ cracka was following him, I believe that.

BTW, I read recently that cracka refers to the person who cracked the whip on slaves (a person in a position of authority) and has been used for years in the black community to refer to the police and other people of authority.  I don't think it's a racist term at all.

So, overall, I found her account believable but, just like George, she shaded the truth in places to support her version of what happened.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 17, 2013, 09:42:36 AM
BTW, I read recently that cracka refers to the person who cracked the whip on slaves

Discussion starting here. (http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2506.msg116972.html#msg116972)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 17, 2013, 10:20:38 AM
Discussion starting here. (http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2506.msg116972.html#msg116972)
Thanks.  That's exactly where I read it.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 17, 2013, 10:23:51 AM
Huffpo, 7/16/13 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/lapd-chief-violence-trayvon-martin_n_3604392.html) on the Monday (7/15) protests in LA.

There's good video, over three minutes, which includes the Walmart attack from outside the front doors. It looks like a security guard opened the doors, allowing the mob to enter, rather than have the doors broken. Then a solid stream of reinforcements kept coming in from the street, until I wondered how tightly they were packing themselves. Scary.

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Thirteen arrests were made Monday night, including six juveniles, for a variety of alleged crimes, including failure to disperse and assault, said LAPD Lt. Andy Neiman.

.  .  .

Amidst the chaos, a KCAL9 cameraman was struck from behind Monday night and was taken to the hospital for treatment of a possible concussion, Neiman said. After he was hit and swung around, his camera struck his reporter, who was treated at the scene for an injury. No other injuries were reported Monday night.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 17, 2013, 10:47:03 AM
That's exactly where I read it.

Begging pardon, you didn't. No one there said the etymology was a fact, and no one said 'cracker' or 'cracka'
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has been used for years in the black community to refer to the police and other people of authority.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 17, 2013, 10:48:35 AM
I'm not really sure what's going on with Tex, but something sure seems to be.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 17, 2013, 11:50:23 AM
I'm not really sure what's going on with Tex, but something sure seems to be.
I'm not sure why it's a big deal that I said that's where I got it, but, OK, that's not where I got it, and I have no idea where I did.

Is that satisfactory?

Sheesh.  What other nits can we pick today?
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 17, 2013, 12:04:16 PM
I'm not sure why it's a big deal that I said that's where I got it, but, OK, that's not where I got it, and I have no idea where I did.

Is that satisfactory?

Sheesh.  What other nits can we pick today?

I was thinking of your posts since you arrived back (nice to see you back, btw. I know I didn't jump up and give you a sloppy kiss hello like DFH...but you're probably just as happy with that  ;)).

And it was a personal opinion more than anything. I should've ID'd it as such. Lazy.

I don't see how you could view RJ's testimony--or anything she said--as truthful. Etc.

But that's your deal and not my deal, so I should just shut up about it.

 8)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 17, 2013, 12:28:28 PM
I was thinking of your posts since you arrived back (nice to see you back, btw. I know I didn't jump up and give you a sloppy kiss hello like DFH...but you're probably just as happy with that  ;)).

And it was a personal opinion more than anything. I should've ID'd it as such. Lazy.

I don't see how you could view RJ's testimony--or anything she said--as truthful. Etc.

But that's your deal and not my deal, so I should just shut up about it.

 8)
I thought I explained it pretty well.  I don't think even pathological liars always lie.  Some parts of what they say are true.  I don't think Rachel is a pathological liar, but she's obviously a liar.  That doesn't make everything she said a lie.  When I weigh what she said against the other evidence, there are parts of what she said that I believe are "true".  For example, she describes the beginning of the altercation much the same as Zimmerman did - do you have a problem? -> why are you following me? followed by a response and then a thud - the sound of someone being hit.  The get off part I think is pure fantasy.  She made that up to mollify Crump.

I can't wait until the ABC version of Crump's interview with Rachel becomes publicly available.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 17, 2013, 12:41:20 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/trayvon_martin_verdict_racism_hate_crimes_prosecution_and_other_overreactions.html

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Trayvon Martin is dead, George Zimmerman has been acquitted, and millions of people are outraged. Some politicians are demanding a second prosecution of Zimmerman, this time for hate crimes. Others are blaming the tragedy on “Stand Your Ground” laws, which they insist must be repealed. Many who saw the case as proof of racism in the criminal justice system see the verdict as further confirmation. Everywhere you look, people feel vindicated in their bitter assumptions. They want action.

But that’s how Martin ended up dead. It’s how Zimmerman ended up with a bulletproof vest he might have to wear for the rest of his life. It’s how activists and the media embarrassed themselves with bogus reports. The problem at the core of this case wasn’t race or guns. The problem was assumption, misperception, and overreaction. And that cycle hasn’t ended with the verdict. It has escalated.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: ding7777 on July 17, 2013, 12:44:24 PM
Are you really sure she couldn't remember anything of the 10 minutes prior to the last 10?  Was she asked? 

I remember West asking her about what they said to each other when TM left the 7-11 and she didn't know.

O'mara, in one of his post-verdict news conferences, also made a point of RJ's detailed recollection of only the last 10 minutes or so but remembering nothing prior to it.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: RickyJim on July 17, 2013, 12:52:29 PM
I thought she said that right after leaving the 711, Trayvon took shelter at a mail thingy.  I hope somebody ambitious wil give us an exact position on one of the videos of her testimony.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 17, 2013, 01:10:08 PM
People, there's almost a whole page of discussion of Jeantel, with only two posts on the thread topic.

With apologies for being the self-appointed wannabe mod, would you please take this to Jeantel's thread? (http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2506.msg116997.html#msg116997)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 17, 2013, 01:20:22 PM
People, there's almost a whole page of discussion of Jeantel, with only two posts on the thread topic.

With apologies for being the self-appointed wannabe mod, would you please take this to Jeantel's thread? (http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2506.msg116997.html#msg116997)

You think you'll have better luck than I did the other day?

Meh. Probably.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 17, 2013, 06:43:20 PM
I haven't found anything today about verdict-related violence last night (Tuesday, 7/16/13). Maybe things are calming down.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 17, 2013, 08:15:22 PM
I haven't found anything today about verdict-related violence last night (Tuesday, 7/16/13). Maybe things are calming down.
A Houston family was taking a girl who was suffering from an allergic reaction to medication to the hospital when they were attacked by protestors (http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh/-/index.html).
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 18, 2013, 04:39:03 AM
I haven't found anything today about verdict-related violence last night (Tuesday, 7/16/13). Maybe things are calming down.

A Houston family was taking a girl who was suffering from an allergic reaction to medication to the hospital when they were attacked by protestors (http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh/-/index.html).

Thanks for the report. That is one I missed, but it was on Monday, 7/15.

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Just after 7p.m. Monday, the demonstrators spilled out onto the road and blocked traffic for about 15 minutes.

. . .

"My mom rolled down the window," said Georgia's daughter. "She said, 'We're trying to get my granddaughter to the hospital,' and a guy just started hitting her."

A Local 2 camera covering the protest recorded the entire incident. On the video you could see Georgia sitting in the front seat of an SUV, she had her window down and you can see a man reach in and grab her. Georgia said she was hit.

"When we got on the road I told her, 'Let's call 911," and I could feel I had been hit," she said.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 18, 2013, 04:22:06 PM
One more day, I haven't found any reports on verdict-related violence from yesterday (Wednesday, 7/17). Calm appears to be holding.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 19, 2013, 04:33:40 AM
Houston Chronicle, 7/17/13. (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Opposing-sides-of-Trayvon-Martin-case-plan-4670687.php)
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Houston community activist Quanell X plans to lead a march this weekend in the River Oaks community to protest a Florida jury's acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

The marchers won't be alone, though.

A newly organized group, G. Zimmerman River Oaks Stand Your Ground, plans to hold a counter demonstration Sunday in the tranquil, tree-lined community dotted with stately mansions, boutiques, restaurants and art galleries.

. . .

Dozens of protesters marched on the U.S. Federal Courthouse and Houston City Hall on Tuesday [7/16] to voice opposition to the verdict that cleared Zimmerman of wrongdoing in the Feb. 26, 2012, fatal confrontation with the unarmed teen in Florida.

Meanwhile, Houston resident Jon Smith launched G. Zimmerman River Oaks Stand Your Ground, and urged supporters on a Facebook page to rally in River Oaks on Sunday [7/21].

. . .

The group's page prominently features a Confederate flag.

Houston Police Department spokesman John Cannon said that officers would be on hand at the demonstration.

. . .

Gary Mangold, general manager of River Oaks Property Owners Inc., said his office would "default to HPD" for security at the march, and there are no plans to boost private security patrols.

. . .

Quanell X had a message for the counter protesters:

"I look forward to meeting those that support Zimmerman. They have rights and I encourage them to do so. We will support Trayvon Martin without fear and without compromise, and I guarantee them we will be supporting Trayvon on Sunday.

"This is our civil rights moment," he said.

The protest is expected to kick off about 4 p.m.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 19, 2013, 05:21:25 AM
Putting her money where her mouth is, Diana tennis is running for a judgeship.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: RickyJim on July 19, 2013, 07:26:51 AM
As far as know, the following conflicts with all other accounts I have read.
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The civil-rights group's national chairman, Roslyn Brock, said that, were it not for the NAACP, Trayvon's death might have been swept under the rug.

"The story that has not gotten out is that our branch president was the first person that [Trayvon's father] Tracy Martin went to — Turner Clayton, the president of the [Seminole] branch of the NAACP — when his son did not come home," Brock said.

"It was our branch president that called the Police Department looking to file a police report for a missing person. It was our branch president who stood with Tracy Martin to say: 'There's an unidentified young black man in the morgue, and I want to see who he is,' " Brock said.
See here (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sharpton-jackson-naacp-convention-20130717,0,3411130.story).
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 19, 2013, 08:55:58 AM
Los Angeles Times, 7/18/13 (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-zimmerman-trial-protest-17-arrested-victorville-20130717,0,5579226.story)
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Demonstrators held a peaceful rally in Beverly Hills against the George Zimmerman trial verdict, but 17 people were arrested during a rally that turned rowdy in Victorville, authorities said Wednesday night. [7/17]

. . .

In Victorville, eight of the 17 people arrested Wednesday night were juveniles, the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department said. Most of the arrests were made on charges of unlawful assembly.

A department spokeswoman said most of the 80 people who took part in the rally were peaceful.

But 10 to 15 juveniles went into a store at a Chevron gas station near Bear Valley Road and Balsam Avenue and reportedly opened items and left without paying, authorities said.

A large group of people gathered at the Mall of Victor Valley parking lot and tried to force their way into the mall. They were stopped by security guards who locked the doors.

Deputies from multiple stations responded and ordered the group to disperse, the department said in a statement. Most of the people left, but those who didn't were arrested.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 19, 2013, 09:04:56 AM
As far as know, the following conflicts with all other accounts I have read.

Quote
[Snip]

"It was our branch president who stood with Tracy Martin to say: 'There's an unidentified young black man in the morgue, and I want to see who he is,' " Brock said.

See here (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sharpton-jackson-naacp-convention-20130717,0,3411130.story).

I'm wondering what that is supposed to mean. Literally, it seems to mean that this person accompanied Tracy to the morgue, and was standing beside him when he asked to see the body. Nice of him, but Tracy could have gotten it done by himself.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 19, 2013, 09:20:17 AM
See here (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sharpton-jackson-naacp-convention-20130717,0,3411130.story).


I'm wondering what that is supposed to mean. Literally, it seems to mean that this person accompanied Tracy to the morgue, and was standing beside him when he asked to see the body. Nice of him, but Tracy could have gotten it done by himself.

My question is more like why, when your son doesn't come home in the morning, is your first call to the juvenile authorities and your second call to the local naacp?
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Evil Chinchilla on July 19, 2013, 09:21:16 AM
At best, Turner Clayton was there with Tracy and Brandy the morning of 2/27/12 when Serino arrived with photos of Trayvon, in response to Tracy's report of a missing person-- and somehow, everybody forgot to take note of his presence in their statements.

More likely, though, Brock's yet another person making up new details after the fact.


--------

And one important thing to add in response to the point of the article linked (NAACP rally to demand end to SYG law):

GZ didn't claim SYG, he claimed standard self-defense; he claimed he had no ability to retreat because TM was on top of him, and an eyewitness independently confirmed TM on top and GZ unsuccessfully attempting to get free.

Furthermore, the Tampa Bay Times has posted a database and analysis of FL cases in which SYG has been claimed, and the cases show that SYG has been invoked and used successfully as a defense by white and black defendants at about an equal rate.

There are also-- despite what the NAACP, Team Crump, and various commenters allege-- SYG cases "in which the races were reversed", with the black defendants being acquitted or not even charged.

For example, these cases from 2009 in which 17-year-old Hispanic males were fatally shot by black males; in the first case the defendant was granted immunity at trial; in the second, charges were not brought:

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_26

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_75
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Evil Chinchilla on July 19, 2013, 09:35:26 AM
See here (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sharpton-jackson-naacp-convention-20130717,0,3411130.story).


I'm wondering what that is supposed to mean. Literally, it seems to mean that this person accompanied Tracy to the morgue, and was standing beside him when he asked to see the body. Nice of him, but Tracy could have gotten it done by himself.

I thought the story attested in statements and recounted in articles was that Tracy positively IDed TM from photos in Brandy Green's townhouse, no doubt about it.

Why would there still be "an unidentified young black man in the morgue" at that point for Tracy to "want to see who he is"? He just saw the photos of that person.

There are other reasons Tracy would have wanted to see the body for himself, but seeing "who he is" wouldn't be one if his other accounts have been truthful.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: TalkLeft on July 19, 2013, 11:20:30 AM
Please do not use these forums to attack the character of the Martins. Your comments will be deleted.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 19, 2013, 12:21:12 PM
CNN, 7/17/13 (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/16/showbiz/stevie-wonder-florida-boycott)

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"I decided today that until the 'stand your ground' law is abolished in Florida, I will never perform there again," Wonder told the audience at a concert in Quebec on Sunday night. [7/14] "As a matter of fact, wherever I find that law exists, I will not perform in that state or in that part of the world."

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUsoLBnsM7s)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 19, 2013, 12:46:13 PM

San Bernardino Sun, 7/18/13 (http://www.sbsun.com/ci_23687607/about-70-people-marching-san-bernardino-trayvon-martin)
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Hours after it began, a protest Thursday [7/17] resulted in bricks thrown at cars and 11 arrests related to civil disobedience, according to authorities.

. . .

Just before midnight, as police continued to respond to protest-related calls elsewhere in the city, a police vehicle left the northeast corner of Base Line and Waterman Avenue. Eleven protesters remained.

Andre Orr, 27, said police had asked the group to leave but they felt they had a right under the First Amendment to stay, even after he says police shot his cousin with a bean bag gun.

"He didn't do anything wrong," Orr said of his cousin, complaining about the time it took paramedics to arrive.

Orr acknowledged that he had seen some protesters throw bricks or rocks, which he said was incited by comments from people driving by. "Some (Latinos) drove by and were yelling at us, and you know how it is," Orr said.

. . .

 Police said the rock and bottle throwing started without provocation. People in the crowd began tossing rocks and bottles at passing motorists, police vehicles and police personnel.

A police car was damaged by a thrown rock, and a police horse was struck.

Police drove people away with horses and riot gear, Orr said, when they were there only to ask for justice.

Most of the protesters dispersed, but police say around 50 moved behind cinder block walls and started throwing rocks and bottles at officers. Police eventually cleared the remaining people out of the area.

Once the crowd had left, police received a report of a person who had been attacked by one of the protesters. The suspected attacker, 22-year-old Byron Thomas, was arrested after a long foot chase. Police said he was on parole.

NBC, 7/19/13 (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/rally-protest-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-san-bernardino-216110661.html)
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The San Bernardino Police Department was responding to reports of vandalism when they encountered about 120 protesters. The group began throwing rocks and bottles at passing motorists, police officers and patrol cars, according to a police department press release.

Aerial video showed dozens of demonstrators running from galloping police horses as officers demanded they disperse from the intersection of Baseline and Waterman avenues.

Most of the crowd left after the officers' orders, but about 50 people decided to move behind cinder block walls and throw rocks and bottles at officers, police said.

One patrol car was damaged by a rock that a protester threw at it, police said.

NewsChopper 4 spotted at least one person in handcuffs. Police arrested 11 people for a variety of charges including assault with a deadly weapon, battery, assault on a police horse and vandalism.

A Jack in the Box near Baseline and Waterman avenues closed 90 minutes early at 8:30 p.m. because demonstrators had started to congregate around the fast food restaurant.

Rocks were thrown at the business’ window, but there was no damage, an employee who spoke on the condition of anonymity said.

Officers cleared the business areas to prevent any additional vandalism, police said.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: txantimedia on July 19, 2013, 12:52:00 PM
Since there's a tips line, there's always hope.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: RickyJim on July 19, 2013, 01:23:57 PM
Transcript (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politics/obama-zimmerman-verdict/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) of Obama remarks.  The only thing I found interesting was
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On the other hand, if we're sending a message as a society in our communities that someone who is armed potentially has the right to use those firearms, even if there's a way for them to exit from a situation, is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we'd like to see?

And for those who -- who resist that idea, that we should think about something like these Stand Your Ground laws, I just ask people to consider, if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman, who had followed him in a car, because he felt threatened? And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of laws.

Is he suggesting in the first quoted paragraph that Zimmerman caused the event by standing his ground and not retreating back to his car?  The second seems to ignore that Zimmerman, at the time he used deadly force, was facing a far greater threat than being followed by somebody in a car.  In general I approve of Mr. Obama, but I don't approve of these remarks.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: unitron on July 19, 2013, 09:44:40 PM
Houston Chronicle, 7/17/13. (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Opposing-sides-of-Trayvon-Martin-case-plan-4670687.php)

Oh, yeah, what could possibly go wrong?

 ::)

A Confederate Flag on the website?

With friends like that...

Except I don't see George ever being friends with folks like that.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: unitron on July 19, 2013, 10:25:52 PM
No.

Then I haven't the foggiest notion what point you were making.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 19, 2013, 10:43:29 PM
Then I haven't the foggiest notion what point you were making.

Not so much a point as a jest. It probably falls flat over cultural/regional differences.

I grew up in the South. The Confederate flag is like wallpaper to me. I don't see its display as 'worse' than the adventures in racial sensitivity of Robert Sr. and Jr.

ETA: I wanted to mention the pro-GZ demonstration because it's the only one I have heard of so far, except the handful at the courthouse during deliberations. I mentioned the Confederate flag because I felt it would be misleading to leave it out. It wasn't my intention to be inflammatory, but I suspect the whole sub-thread will be deleted.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: unitron on July 19, 2013, 11:23:51 PM
Not so much a point as a jest. It probably falls flat over cultural/regional differences.

I grew up in the South. The Confederate flag is like wallpaper to me. I don't see its display as 'worse' than the adventures in racial sensitivity of Robert Sr. and Jr.

ETA: I wanted to mention the pro-GZ demonstration because it's the only one I have heard of so far, except the handful at the courthouse during deliberations. I mentioned the Confederate flag because I felt it would be misleading to leave it out. It wasn't my intention to be inflammatory, but I suspect the whole sub-thread will be deleted.

Okay, I see where you were going with that now.

If they'd gone with the flag of the Republic of Texas, or a picture of the Alamo, I could see that as just a reflection of that stubborn Texas independence streak, but there can't be any way they don't know that the Stars and Bars are just a big ol' FU to black people in general and pretty close to saying "What happened was okay because Martin was black and George was close enough to white".

I hope they're going to have a lot of HPD present when demonstration meets counter-demonstration, because I suspect a lot more than a civil exchange of views and opinions is on tap.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: MJW on July 20, 2013, 02:28:32 AM
I don't see its display as 'worse' than the adventures in racial sensitivity of Robert Sr. and Jr.

Yeah, I remember when you were making a big deal about Robert Sr. accusing some black leaders of racism. You figured the state was just waiting to pounce on that in cross-examination. What a joke.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 20, 2013, 05:17:14 AM
Yeah, I remember when you were making a big deal about Robert Sr. accusing some black leaders of racism. You figured the state was just waiting to pounce on that in cross-examination. What a joke.

I was wrong. Not for the last time, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 20, 2013, 06:14:33 AM
Local 10 Miami, 7/19/13 (http://www.local10.com/news/florida-gov-rick-scott-says-stand-your-ground-fine-as-is/-/1717324/21073434/-/sm2l1o/-/index.html)

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As Florida faces backlash over its "Stand Your Ground" law following the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial, Gov. Rick Scott said Friday [7/19] the law is fine just the way it is.

"We put together a 19 person, bipartisan taskforce and they reviewed it," said Scott. "I agree with them. We should not be changing and I don't support us changing Stand Your Ground."

Late Thursday [7/18], Scott met with some of the protesters who have occupied the capitol for several days. He said he wouldn't call the special session they want on Stand Your Ground.

"I met with these students yesterday up in Tallahassee and here's what I told them: call your legislator, call your house member, call your senator," said Scott. "That's the way the process works in our state, but I believe in our existing Stand Your Ground law."

I recall a similar story shortly after the verdict was announced. Governor Scot met with some protesters, told them a task force had reviewed SYG and he stood by its findings. I meant to post on it then, but it got lost among other matters.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: ding7777 on July 20, 2013, 08:39:27 AM

I recall a similar story shortly after the verdict was announced. Governor Scot met with some protesters, told them a task force had reviewed SYG and he stood by its findings. I meant to post on it then, but it got lost among other matters.

Final Task Force Report (http://http://www.flgov.com/citizensafety/)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: MJW on July 20, 2013, 12:00:46 PM
I was wrong. Not for the last time, I'm sure.

I probably should have been less sarcastic, but I was frankly annoyed by the snideness of the comment I replied to and your (apparently deleted) 10:22:03 PM comment. My point wasn't that you were wrong; it was that you seem to have an unreasonable standard for what constitutes racial insensitivity. I'm amazed anyone could believe questioning Al Sharpton's racial attitudes is such a serious indication of racial bias that it could be used to impeach Robert Sr.'s testimony.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 20, 2013, 04:17:44 PM
Christian Science Monitor, 7/20/13 (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0720/Trayvon-rallies-launch-conversation-on-race-and-violence)

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A day after President Obama said it was Americans – not politicians – who must launch any “conversation” about gun violence, thousands of people in hundreds of locations began doing just that.

. . .

Civil rights leader and MSNBC host Al Sharpton organized the ‘‘Justice for Trayvon’’ rallies and vigils outside federal buildings in at least 101 cities: from New York and Los Angeles to Wichita, Kan., and Atlanta, where people stood in the rain at the base of the federal courthouse, with traffic blocked on surrounding downtown streets.

. . .

By mid-afternoon Saturday [7/20], rallies had remained peaceful, although law enforcement officials had prepared for confrontations. Following Zimmerman’s acquittal a week ago, there had been some vandalism and property damage in Oakland and Los Angeles. Nine people were arrested in Oakland, 14 in Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Lousy1 on July 20, 2013, 05:59:18 PM
Who are they 'conversing' with?
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: SuzieTampa on July 20, 2013, 08:23:28 PM
Maybe The Ministry of Information has requested media not to report riots as such?

In the late 80s, when there were some riots in Tampa and St. Petersburg, some liberals said it was racist to use that word and suggested the media use "rebellions" instead. We went with "disturbances."
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: SuzieTampa on July 20, 2013, 09:02:32 PM
Article questioning why MSNBC lets Sharpton organize protests and then report on those protests, especially when he doesn't mention that he organized them. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-al-sharpton-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-20130720,0,4056684.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-al-sharpton-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-20130720,0,4056684.story)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: jeanmarc8 on July 21, 2013, 01:59:14 PM
IANAL and wanted to thank Jeralynn for her commentary: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/7/16/183017/109/crimenews/-Zimmerman-The-State-s-Failure-to-Humanize-Trayvon-Martin (http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/7/16/183017/109/crimenews/-Zimmerman-The-State-s-Failure-to-Humanize-Trayvon-Martin)

I wanted to comment on the number of defense witnesses who stepped forward to claim that the voice on the telephone belonged to GZ.  As implied by the FBI speech identification expert, there was not enough data to make such a decision beyond a personal opinion that could not be validated or refuted.  Therefore, some of those people standing up for GZ were likely influenced by their knowledge of him and their beliefs that he would not cause somebody to cry out like that. Each of them was willing to stand up in court to make that claim at some personal risk. They looked like his friends, coworkers and neighbors, and most likely influenced the jury.  This was in contrast to the prosecution witnesses.

In her commentary concerning the state’s failure to humanize TM, Jeralynn noted “What many may not realize is that this was a strategic decision the state made, not an unintentional omission.”   There is an alternative consideration.  The narrative and imaging formatted by Mr. Crump et al, along with information from the unrevealed past several years before TM died, and family dynamics may not have allowed any options.  Testimony by his birth-mother, his step-mother and his father’s current girl friend may have created “poor optics”. Court appearances by his half-brothers, step-brothers and cousins may have required an interesting chart on his family tree. His academic/ behavioral problems at school may have precluded any teacher inputs.  A pastor would likely be constrained if TM’s shadow had not graced the threshold of a church for that period. The football experience may have been so remote that any coaching references were expired.  As suggested by the Twitter feeds, W8/RJ may have been the most scholarly and sophisticated person among his “close friends”, and having only 2 weeks of recent interaction may have precluded other embarrassing questions.  Thus, the narrative and imaging carefully crafted by Mr. Crump et al may have cracked if more people were allowed to speak up for TM.  Some have complained that TM was not allowed to testify in the trial since he was dead. However, his family and friends had that opportunity, and yet could not/would not testify on his behalf.  Protests are being held with the narrative’s touchstones of “Stand Your Ground”, “Protect the Black Child”. “Hoodies” and “Skittles and Iced tea”. These topics seem to have had little traction in the actual court case as presented to the jury.

I sense the case rested on the knife edge of justice. The members of the jury were selected to represent the citizens of the State of Florida to determine if guilt was proven beyond reasonable doubt.   Maybe after 16 hours of deliberations, despite the errors of omission and commission by GZ, despite the evidence allowed and not allowed by Judge Nelson, despite all the emotional pleas from the prosecution, that jury just decided that GZ was still a guy who wore a white hat.

Again, IANAL.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Lousy1 on July 21, 2013, 09:15:13 PM
Quite a few posters here came to the same conclusion. I expect that the testimony from some associates/ teachers may be even more damaging to the prosecution than you postulate.

Come on. Not even one? Not even his father on direct?

BDLR and Corey knew.


Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 22, 2013, 07:08:01 AM
The optics being poor (or however you put it) are the reason it was a choice the prosecution made--like Jeralyn said.

Well, that and how wide it would fling open the door to include every single tidbit TM had ever done. It would've turned the trial into a Conservative Treehouse delight--but it wouldn't have accomplished anything at all.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Lousy1 on July 22, 2013, 11:32:34 AM

Well, that and how wide it would fling open the door to include every single tidbit TM had ever done. It would've turned the trial into a Conservative Treehouse delight--but it wouldn't have accomplished anything at all.

Since GZ was declared innocent I guess you are saying the verdict would have been the same.

If your  implying that exposing any sordid or illegal practices of TM  ( if any :)) would not give the defense valuable rope then I disagree.  Seems dependent  on  the specifics ot that exposure and how it can be integrated into a defense narrative.

For instance , if TM had a history of ethnic animosity towards  Hispanics would that frame the assault differently?  I don't presume this is the case but a skillful attorney can draw sufficient information to allow  inferences once the pigeon is on the stand.

 Its not as if BDLR was withholding  potential character witness so as not to taint a stellar core of unshakeable prosecution witnesses.



Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 22, 2013, 01:44:26 PM
Since GZ was declared innocent I guess you are saying the verdict would have been the same.

If your  implying that exposing any sordid or illegal practices of TM  ( if any :)) would not give the defense valuable rope then I disagree.  Seems dependent  on  the specifics ot that exposure and how it can be integrated into a defense narrative.

For instance , if TM had a history of ethnic animosity towards  Hispanics would that frame the assault differently?  I don't presume this is the case but a skillful attorney can draw sufficient information to allow  inferences once the pigeon is on the stand.

 Its not as if BDLR was withholding  potential character witness so as not to taint a stellar core of unshakeable prosecution witnesses.

Not declared innocent.  ;)

LOL. If you're innocent until proven guilty, and you aren't proven guilty, aren't you proven innocent? I love all the news people who're going on and on about how not guilty doesn't mean innocent.

I think it does. But I'm simple I suppose.

Anyway, what I meant was that O'Mara dragging out every single tidbit of TM's past, and exposing Uncle Fruit and whatever else was in the social media stuff that's available at the GZ legal case site would've just inflamed those who are easily inflamed.

As it is, they got the not guilty verdict by threatening to go nuclear and managing to look like they're on the high road. Or actually taking the high road, I'm not sure which.

Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: Lousy1 on July 22, 2013, 02:39:06 PM
I agree.

I think the threat still applies in the case of a civil suit and possibly a Fed civil rights beef
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: unitron on July 22, 2013, 04:28:31 PM
Not declared innocent.  ;)

LOL. If you're innocent until proven guilty, and you aren't proven guilty, aren't you proven innocent? I love all the news people who're going on and on about how not guilty doesn't mean innocent.

I think it does. But I'm simple I suppose.

Anyway, what I meant was that O'Mara dragging out every single tidbit of TM's past, and exposing Uncle Fruit and whatever else was in the social media stuff that's available at the GZ legal case site would've just inflamed those who are easily inflamed.

As it is, they got the not guilty verdict by threatening to go nuclear and managing to look like they're on the high road. Or actually taking the high road, I'm not sure which.

But you are not innocent until proven guilty, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

So a not guilty verdict leaves that presumption in place, but it's not quite the same as proof of innocence.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 22, 2013, 04:50:24 PM
But you are not innocent until proven guilty, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

So a not guilty verdict leaves that presumption in place, but it's not quite the same as proof of innocence.

LOL. That's fine.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: vegas on July 22, 2013, 09:34:33 PM
The optics being poor (or however you put it) are the reason it was a choice the prosecution made--like Jeralyn said.

Well, that and how wide it would fling open the door to include every single tidbit TM had ever done. It would've turned the trial into a Conservative Treehouse delight--but it wouldn't have accomplished anything at all.
The pro folk posted over and over for a year that O'Mara West would trash Martin. Isn't everyone in America who goes to trial found guilty or not guilty  not innocent or not innocent? Although not in trial but charged were called  INNOCENT was the Duke lacrosse guys by the State of North Carolina,  Attorney General.     
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 22, 2013, 11:32:01 PM
The pro folk posted over and over for a year that O'Mara West would trash Martin.

Point?
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 24, 2013, 07:37:21 AM
Associated Press, 7/24/13 (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/trayvon-martins-father-speak-capitol-hill/nY2jw/)

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Tracy Martin will give opening remarks Wednesday [7/24] at the inaugural hearing of the Congressional Caucus on Black Men and Boys. D.C. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton and Illinois Congressman Danny Davis are the co-chairs of the newly formed caucus. Both are Democrats.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: DebFrmHell on July 24, 2013, 11:18:22 AM
Associated Press, 7/24/13 (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/trayvon-martins-father-speak-capitol-hill/nY2jw/)

Got to admit, I am a little floored by this.  Can't go in to it w/o getting into HUGE trouble with Jeralyn.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: annoyedbeyond on July 24, 2013, 02:20:26 PM
Got to admit, I am a little floored by this.  Can't go in to it w/o getting into HUGE trouble with Jeralyn.

I feel your pain, Deb.

 ;)
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 24, 2013, 05:11:54 PM
Associated Press, 7/24/13 (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/trayvon-martins-father-speak-capitol-hill/nY2jw/)

Got to admit, I am a little floored by this.

Seems like business as usual to me.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 25, 2013, 05:29:29 PM
WFTV, 7/25/13 (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/trayvon-martin-group-walking-jacksonville-central-/nY4JD/)
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Members of a group rallying for Trayvon Martin say they are so outraged about the verdict of not guilty, they're walking from Jacksonville to the central Florida area.

The demonstrators are set to arrive in Daytona Beach for a community forum.

Members of law enforcement and local and county government leaders are also to attend.

The marchers, lead by Al Sharpton's brother, are traveling to Bethune Cookman University and will then head to the Greater Baptist Church for a Martin community forum.

The marchers started in Tallahassee before hitting the courthouse in Sanford and will then travel to Volusia County.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: vegas on July 26, 2013, 07:05:46 PM
Point?
Like everything else the Pro's predicted about this case, they were wrong.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: TalkLeft on July 27, 2013, 01:20:29 AM
I really don't want to cover the Martin's continuing efforts to paint this as a race case or their media tour or the protests. Since most readers here find their efforts misplaced, it will just end up reading like an attack on them. I have tuned them out.

So no need to keep posting articles of their post-verdict adventures, it just gives them more attention.

There's plenty to talk about with the jurors' reactions and the continued media misreporting of the facts.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on July 29, 2013, 01:27:52 PM
ABC News interview (http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/crime_checker/baltimore_city_crime/witness-to-for-trayvon-beating-speaks-out) of Christina Dudley, a witness to the 7/14/13 Baltimore attack (http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2612.msg117019.html#msg117019) on a Hispanic man by a number of black teens. She says she heard male and female voices scream 'This is for Trayvon', at least three times.

Baltimore police say several other witnesses, including the victim, did not hear Trayvon's name.



 
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on August 08, 2013, 08:43:14 PM
Orlando Sentinel, 8/8/13 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/bal-councilman-wants-baltimore-to-boycott-florida-after-zimmerman-trial-20130808,0,1609988.story)
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If Councilman Nick Mosby has his way, Baltimore government would boycott Florida-based businesses in protest to the state's stand-your-ground law after George Zimmerman's acquittal.

Mosby intends to file a resolution on Monday to encourage city agencies and investment boards to avoid doing business with companies in the Sunshine State.

. . .

The resolution also calls on city officials to avoid traveling to Florida or attending events in the state.

. . .

Mosby's resolution says the state's stand-your-grand law is applied "subjectively and inconsistently" and allows individuals with guns to act as "vigilantes."

. . .

Mosby's legislation would not compel the city to avoid doing business with Florida-based company, but encourage it.

. . .

Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake hasn't decided whether to support the resolution.

"The Mayor is against stand-your-ground laws, and will review the resolution thoroughly," said her spokesman, Travis Tazelaar.

The mayor announced last month that the city hired Gans, Gans and Associates of Plant City, Fla., to lead recruitment efforts for a new fire chief. The company also was hired last year to help the city find a new president for the Baltimore Development Corp.

It's unclear what effect, if any, Mosby's resolution would have on that search. Mosby said finding a new company to identify job candidates should be considered.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: jeanmarc8 on August 09, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
NM_NM. Thanks for this article which documents the distraction level this case has attained. 

That the city government of Baltimore is offering any comment about Stand Your Ground in Florida is beyond credible. That city has the sixth highest murder rate in the nation http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-06-03/news/bal-baltimore-ranked-6th-in-murder-rate-in-2012-20130603_1_murder-rate-top-10-cities-per-capita-murders  (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-06-03/news/bal-baltimore-ranked-6th-in-murder-rate-in-2012-20130603_1_murder-rate-top-10-cities-per-capita-murders) and ongoing legal proceedings for a city jail that was being run by the prisoners (http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/24/shocking-indictment-prison-gang-took-over-baltimore-prison-impregnated-corrupt-guards)

Kind of like the Detroit city council lecturing a municipality on fiscal responsibility. 
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on August 15, 2013, 02:48:07 AM
Daytona Beach News--Journal, 8/9/13 (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130809/NEWS/130809448/1040?Title=Volusia-fires-beach-officer-for-racial-messages)
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A Volusia County Beach Safety officer accused of sending insensitive racial messages at the end of last month’s Trayvon Martin trial was fired Friday for unprofessional conduct . . .

The report includes the officer's name, his attorney's name, and two examples of the 'insensitive racial messages.' I've omitted this information, since an earlier post including it was deleted.

Neither of the two messages quoted in the article mentioned race.

DiwataMan has a post (http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/its-not-the-bgi-thats-the-problem-its-the-wgi/) on the incident.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: nomatter_nevermind on August 15, 2013, 07:58:15 PM
Orlando Sentinel, 8/15/13 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-zimmerman-trayvon-dream-defenders-20130815,0,6451009.story)
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After sitting in at the Florida Capitol for 31 days — since just after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin — the group called the Dream Defenders ended its protest Thursday [8/15] with the help of civil-rights icon Julian Bond.

Leaders said they'll carry their campaign against the "stand your ground" self-defense law and what they consider other forms of racial bias to the polls, trying to defeat the elected officials who opposed their demands.

That includes Gov. Rick Scott, who is up for re-election next year. The Dream Defenders announced a voter-registration drive, with a goal of 61,550 new voters — Scott's margin of victory in 2010.

. . .

The group marched to the Capitol on July 16 and demanded a special session on "stand your ground," which they didn't get.
Title: Re: Verdict Reactions
Post by: SuzieTampa on August 16, 2013, 07:09:32 AM
There was much anger at Rick Scott before this case came along, and many have felt he wouldn't be re-elected. If he isn't, I'm sure media outside FL will conclude that it was because of the Dream Defenders. Nevertheless, I'll be glad to see him gone.

It's sort of ironic, considering that GZ might not have been charged if Scott had not intervened and appointed Corey as the special prosecutor.