The Edwards-Marcotte Fiasco

[Lousy1]

"cussing lke a sailor"  is in keeping with "what we consider ["gentleman-like"] qualities and demeanor?"

Is it worse for a woman to not act like a lady than it is for a man to not act like a gentleman?

Perhaps you meant to post this question on TalkReligion.com

[MarkRougemont]

Walter Kresby: First of all we are in the country now, so no more black.
Joanna Eberhart: No more black? Are you insane?
Walter Kresby: You heard me. Only high-powered, neurotic, castrating, Manhattan career b*tches wear black. Is that what you want to be?
Joanna Eberhart: Ever since I was a little girl.

[Epublius]

"cussing lke a sailor"  is in keeping with "what we consider ["gentleman-like"] qualities and demeanor?"

Is it worse for a woman to not act like a lady than it is for a man to not act like a gentleman?

Absolutely not.  I don't think "ladies" OR "gentlement" need to use profanity to converse or make a point.

However, perhaps emblematic of what I consider tolerable would be the words uttered by Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady where he begins the song, I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face with, "Damn, damn, damn, damn....".

[inmyhumbleopinion]

"cussing lke a sailor"  is in keeping with "what we consider ["gentleman-like"] qualities and demeanor?"

Is it worse for a woman to not act like a lady than it is for a man to not act like a gentleman?

Absolutely not.  I don't think "ladies" OR "gentlement" need to use profanity to converse or make a point.

However, perhaps emblematic of what I consider tolerable would be the words uttered by Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady where he begins the song, I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face with, "Damn, damn, damn, damn....".

Then why did you say this:

I don't like gratuitous profanity from men or women.  But, the reason it is worse for women has to do with its juxtaposition to what we consider "lady-like" qualities and demeanor.

[Epublius]

"cussing lke a sailor"  is in keeping with "what we consider ["gentleman-like"] qualities and demeanor?"

Is it worse for a woman to not act like a lady than it is for a man to not act like a gentleman?

Absolutely not.  I don't think "ladies" OR "gentlement" need to use profanity to converse or make a point.

However, perhaps emblematic of what I consider tolerable would be the words uttered by Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady where he begins the song, I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face with, "Damn, damn, damn, damn....".

Then why did you say this:

I don't like gratuitous profanity from men or women.  But, the reason it is worse for women has to do with its juxtaposition to what we consider "lady-like" qualities and demeanor.

Probably because I have a slightly higher standard for what is "lady-like" than I do for what generally passes as "gentlemanly".  My example of Professor Higgins may be the best example I can offer.

I don't consider a woman who uses "damn" in an appropriate setting to NOT be a lady.  And, there are times when it's more than appropriate.  :)

[inmyhumbleopinion]

"cussing lke a sailor"  is in keeping with "what we consider ["gentleman-like"] qualities and demeanor?"

Is it worse for a woman to not act like a lady than it is for a man to not act like a gentleman?

Absolutely not.  I don't think "ladies" OR "gentlement" need to use profanity to converse or make a point.

However, perhaps emblematic of what I consider tolerable would be the words uttered by Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady where he begins the song, I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face with, "Damn, damn, damn, damn....".

Then why did you say this:

I don't like gratuitous profanity from men or women.  But, the reason it is worse for women has to do with its juxtaposition to what we consider "lady-like" qualities and demeanor.

Probably because I have a slightly higher standard for what is "lady-like" than I do for what generally passes as "gentlemanly".  My example of Professor Higgins may be the best example I can offer.

I don't consider a woman who uses "damn" in an appropriate setting to NOT be a lady.  And, there are times when it's more than appropriate.  :)

There's a word for that.

[Epublius]

"cussing lke a sailor"  is in keeping with "what we consider ["gentleman-like"] qualities and demeanor?"

Is it worse for a woman to not act like a lady than it is for a man to not act like a gentleman?

Absolutely not.  I don't think "ladies" OR "gentlement" need to use profanity to converse or make a point.

However, perhaps emblematic of what I consider tolerable would be the words uttered by Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady where he begins the song, I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face with, "Damn, damn, damn, damn....".

Then why did you say this:

I don't like gratuitous profanity from men or women.  But, the reason it is worse for women has to do with its juxtaposition to what we consider "lady-like" qualities and demeanor.

Probably because I have a slightly higher standard for what is "lady-like" than I do for what generally passes as "gentlemanly".  My example of Professor Higgins may be the best example I can offer.

I don't consider a woman who uses "damn" in an appropriate setting to NOT be a lady.  And, there are times when it's more than appropriate.  :)

There's a word for that.

Besides "British"?  LOL

It may a bit of a double-standard, but I hope I made clear that I don't appreciate men or women using gratuitous profanity. 

Perhaps it is not dissimilar to the fact that I rise when a woman comes to, or leaves, the table.  I don't do that for a man.

[abb]

More ranting from Amanda...

http://pandagon.net/2007/02/04/and-here-i-thought-i-was-done-malkinswatching/#comments

And Here I Thought I Was Done Malkin(s)watching
Published by Auguste February 4th, 2007

[Bob In Pacifica]

I remember slipping up and using the "f" word when I was talking with my mother a couple of years ago. Yes, despite its common usage with many people since the sixties, people still do get offended. When I read Marcotte's comments using the word it wasn't the word that bothered me, but the other stuff. The presumption of guilt without any apparent knowledge of the case.

As to whether Edwards wants a little "potty-mouthing" on his blog is his choice. Marcotte is already a minor scandal on the web. Limbaugh or someone from the FOX channel will be chomping on this by Monday or Tuesday.

[MarkRougemont]

I remember slipping up and using the "f" word when I was talking with my mother a couple of years ago. Yes, despite its common usage with many people since the sixties, people still do get offended. When I read Marcotte's comments using the word it wasn't the word that bothered me, but the other stuff. The presumption of guilt without any apparent knowledge of the case.

As to whether Edwards wants a little "potty-mouthing" on his blog is his choice. Marcotte is already a minor scandal on the web. Limbaugh or someone from the FOX channel will be chomping on this by Monday or Tuesday.

Careful on the prediction times BOB-saw many predictions that she wouldn't make thru yesterday. Would that Monday or Tuesday be in November sometime?

[Bob In Pacifica]

Mark, I just commented elsewhere on IMHO's concern about sharing her feelings and thus opinions on this case because it would reveal too much about her personally. I think most people here can understand the difference between  predictions and eventualities. If you are so uptight about making your own speculations on this case, maybe you should be spending more time getting in touch with your feelings and start avoiding places where people speculate.

Half the country today has made predictions on the Super Bowl. Will people feel shame if their predictions are wrong? Only if they lose too much money. I don't have any money on how long Marcotte's tenure with Edwards' campaign will be. More importantly, I have no ego invested in it. Edwards does, so he's faced with continuing with Marcotte and hoping the storm will blow over or getting rid of a minor cog in his campaign before she does any more damage. I'd guess the latter. Don't you trouble yourself about my guesses, though.

[Lora]

I actually agree in part with Bob in P (!).  I don't have a problem with how Amanda used the "f" word.

Amanda did not use the "f" word as gratuitous profanity.  She used it in the old-fashioned meaning of the word.

[EC]

I remember slipping up and using the "f" word when I was talking with my mother a couple of years ago. Yes, despite its common usage with many people since the sixties, people still do get offended. When I read Marcotte's comments using the word it wasn't the word that bothered me, but the other stuff. The presumption of guilt without any apparent knowledge of the case.

As to whether Edwards wants a little "potty-mouthing" on his blog is his choice. Marcotte is already a minor scandal on the web. Limbaugh or someone from the FOX channel will be chomping on this by Monday or Tuesday.

Careful on the prediction times BOB-saw many predictions that she wouldn't make thru yesterday. Would that Monday or Tuesday be in November sometime?

Mark, if you are not an enabler as you state each time your are asked, why do you use the lingo of the enablers?  Is Bob's prediction wrong that this case is a dog and will end in dismissal?  No.  He decided to put a date on it assuming that this case had some degree of normalcy.  It does not have any normalcy therefore his date has come and gone.  Yet his main point of the prediction will still be correct.  Who cares about this aside from the enablers, Mark? 

[EC]

I actually agree in part with Bob in P (!).  I don't have a problem with how Amanda used the "f" word.

Amanda did not use the "f" word as gratuitous profanity.  She used it in the old-fashioned meaning of the word.

Yet you seem to have a problem with words like "grandpa", "cotton", and "shirt"?  Lora, I am shocked at your ability to pick and choose what things upset you.

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Mark, I just commented elsewhere on IMHO's concern about sharing her feelings and thus opinions on this case because it would reveal too much about her personally.

More lies.

I've never expressed concerns over "sharing [my] feelings and thus opinions on this case."  I have no concerns over doing so and have given no reasons for posting what I chose to post.


You might want to watch those Superbowl predictions - EC will brand you as having no credibility if the wrong team wins. LOL!