Cash KC, Joyner on 11

[Bob In Pacifica]

Peebs: Everyone deserves a defense...

And Mangum has a fine defense. She has a long history of mental illness and drug abuse associated with it. Her manic episodes apparently include hallucinations.

You bet, Crystal Mangum has a fine defense. That's why no one is prosecuting her, not because she was anywhere in the neighborhood of the truth.

[ding7777]

PB - wrt to "Was Nifong only trying to win the election, or is he also incompetent?"  as being the only 2 choices - you are right.  The other choices could have been

or is he mentally ill? 

or was he trying to max out his pension plan?

or was he jealous of Freda Black getting so much camera time?

or was he a cheap-skate who wanted a $million in free tv ads?

or was he going through a rough male menopause stage?

or was it a pay-back for all those elites he is has to deal with?

[Gunslinger]

Just watched the segment...I too was struck by how Cash came across during the panel as compared to his persona in print or on the boards.  Overall, the panel was good, though Joyner's comments seemed to be coming from Mars.  Does he really believe that Nifong was "swept up" into the case because of all the media attention?  Does he really think Nifong should be given credit for his transparently self-serving "apology?"

KC Johnson made a few good points, especially about how outrageous it is for Nifong to downplay his own role in rigging the line-ups, making improper comments to the media, and conspriing to surpress the DNA evidence.

I regret that the discussion wasn't longer...it was a good panel, well worth watching.

[PB]

Peebs: Everyone deserves a defense...

And Mangum has a fine defense. She has a long history of mental illness and drug abuse associated with it. Her manic episodes apparently include hallucinations.

You bet, Crystal Mangum has a fine defense. That's why no one is prosecuting her, not because she was anywhere in the neighborhood of the truth.

The accuser has never offered mental illness as a defense. It's the players, their attorneys, and the people they have influenced in the Attorney General' office who have offered mental illness as an offense. It's an offensive use of mental illness we're witnessing, not a defensive one.

[cpamba]

Just watched the segment...I too was struck by how Cash came across during the panel as compared to his persona in print or on the boards.  Overall, the panel was good, though Joyner's comments seemed to be coming from Mars.  Does he really believe that Nifong was "swept up" into the case because of all the media attention?  Does he really think Nifong should be given credit for his transparently self-serving "apology?"

KC Johnson made a few good points, especially about how outrageous it is for Nifong to downplay his own role in rigging the line-ups, making improper comments to the media, and conspriing to surpress the DNA evidence.

I regret that the discussion wasn't longer...it was a good panel, well worth watching.

I'm curious . . . do you think that the Cash we saw on this program could have made a national name for himself by exposing this hoax and holding Nifong and the Durham DPD accountable for their illegal and/or unethical activities?  I believe he could have then gone on to building his name/credibility/recognition by bringing to light other innocents who are being unjustly prosecuted or imprisoned by Nifong and/or the Durham DPD.  He could have won a Pulitzer if he had just been honest and played this one straight down the middle with no racial bias.

[PB]

I'm curious . . . do you think that the Cash we saw on this program could have made a national name for himself by exposing this hoax and holding Nifong and the Durham DPD accountable for their illegal and/or unethical activities?  I believe he could have then gone on to building his name/credibility/recognition by bringing to light other innocents who are being unjustly prosecuted or imprisoned by Nifong and/or the Durham DPD.  He could have won a Pulitzer if he had just been honest and played this one straight down the middle with no racial bias.

He's probably thinking more about his reputation in the long run than the short run. Everyone can learn a lesson from him there.

As Thomas More told  his betrayer, Richard Rich, attorney general of Wales, in the play "Man for All Seasons:

"Why, Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world...But for Wales!"

So goes the Pulitzer.

[Sarah]

Peebs Honey, given that even Nifong has apologized and said that Cooper was right, there really are not many other options.

You're not a serious person, darling. Everyone deserves a defense... The people who only defend the truly innocent probably don't understand that. It's a modern cultural tradition. It might be a reprehensible concept, but more than a few lawyers make a good living off it.

Whatever you are drinking you need to take more water with it, I really do not know how you translated what I said as denying anyone the right of a defense.  Nifong has said that Cooper is correct when he said the lacrosse players were innocent.  Therefore, it follows that Nifong, by his own admission, either launched the prosecution maliciously or in error.  There isn't another option.

[Trinity Rez]

I'm curious . . . do you think that the Cash we saw on this program could have made a national name for himself by exposing this hoax and holding Nifong and the Durham DPD accountable for their illegal and/or unethical activities?  I believe he could have then gone on to building his name/credibility/recognition by bringing to light other innocents who are being unjustly prosecuted or imprisoned by Nifong and/or the Durham DPD.  He could have won a Pulitzer if he had just been honest and played this one straight down the middle with no racial bias.

He's probably thinking more about his reputation in the long run than the short run. Everyone can learn a lesson from him there.

As Thomas More told  his betrayer, Richard Rich, attorney general of Wales, in the play "Man for All Seasons:

"Why, Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world...But for Wales!"

So goes the Pulitzer.

Yes in the short run he was a hero to individuals and communities that were championing the false prosecution of 3 innocent young men due to the who they were.

In the long run he has been made to look like a biased individual who cares nothing about the truth.

[Lousy1]

Peebs Honey, given that even Nifong has apologized and said that Cooper was right, there really are not many other options.

You're not a serious person, darling. Everyone deserves a defense... The people who only defend the truly innocent probably don't understand that. It's a modern cultural tradition. It might be a reprehensible concept, but more than a few lawyers make a good living off it.

Crystal has no reason not to go public immediately or to file a civil suit. Where is she? Waiting for Coopers report? Why? Maybe she still angling for a big payday.

The whole cave wonders

Where is Crystal?[/font][/s]

[Lousy1]

The whole cave wonders

Where is Crystal?

[nyesquire83]

Peebs Honey, given that even Nifong has apologized and said that Cooper was right, there really are not many other options.

You're not a serious person, darling. Everyone deserves a defense... The people who only defend the truly innocent probably don't understand that. It's a modern cultural tradition. It might be a reprehensible concept, but more than a few lawyers make a good living off it.

I have a feeling that Nifong will be able to defend his allegedly unconstituional, illegal and outside-the-scope of his office activity in the future.

As Shabazz sez, there should be a jury of the 3 players' peers. Justice demands the victims' uh sorry ALLEGED victims' day in court.

[nyesquire83]

Peebs: Everyone deserves a defense...

And Mangum has a fine defense. She has a long history of mental illness and drug abuse associated with it. Her manic episodes apparently include hallucinations.

You bet, Crystal Mangum has a fine defense. That's why no one is prosecuting her, not because she was anywhere in the neighborhood of the truth.

The accuser has never offered mental illness as a defense. It's the players, their attorneys, and the people they have influenced in the Attorney General' office who have offered mental illness as an offense. It's an offensive use of mental illness we're witnessing, not a defensive one.

Many of us would rather attribute Crystal's delusional behavior to mental illness rather than cold calulating crimnality of a drug addicted monster

but it might be both!

[RodNReg]

I'm curious . . . do you think that the Cash we saw on this program could have made a national name for himself by exposing this hoax and holding Nifong and the Durham DPD accountable for their illegal and/or unethical activities?  I believe he could have then gone on to building his name/credibility/recognition by bringing to light other innocents who are being unjustly prosecuted or imprisoned by Nifong and/or the Durham DPD.  He could have won a Pulitzer if he had just been honest and played this one straight down the middle with no racial bias.

He's probably thinking more about his reputation in the long run than the short run. Everyone can learn a lesson from him there.

As Thomas More told  his betrayer, Richard Rich, attorney general of Wales, in the play "Man for All Seasons:

"Why, Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world...But for Wales!"

So goes the Pulitzer.

That's OK, Cash can swing by Joe Neff's house to visit it.

[PB]

That's OK, Cash can swing by Joe Neff's house to visit it.

Neff winning the Pulitzer would remind me of the time Hitler took Paris, if I thought awards meant much. Or the time 60 Minutes won a Peabody.

[cecelia]

Just watched the segment...I too was struck by how Cash came across during the panel as compared to his persona in print or on the boards.  Overall, the panel was good, though Joyner's comments seemed to be coming from Mars.  Does he really believe that Nifong was "swept up" into the case because of all the media attention?  Does he really think Nifong should be given credit for his transparently self-serving "apology?"

KC Johnson made a few good points, especially about how outrageous it is for Nifong to downplay his own role in rigging the line-ups, making improper comments to the media, and conspiring to suppress the DNA evidence.

I regret that the discussion wasn't longer...it was a good panel, well worth watching.

I'm curious . . . do you think that the Cash we saw on this program could have made a national name for himself by exposing this hoax and holding Nifong and the Durham DPD accountable for their illegal and/or unethical activities?  I believe he could have then gone on to building his name/credibility/recognition by bringing to light other innocents who are being unjustly prosecuted or imprisoned by Nifong and/or the Durham DPD.  He could have won a Pulitzer if he had just been honest and played this one straight down the middle with no racial bias.

My anger at Cash was always because I thought he had the talent, the presence, the verbal skills, the access to make a real difference. I think he could have been THE media figure that broke this case. Over the summer, I thought that he would be the one to speak truth to a lie, bring both sides to healing, and gain a national reputation in the process. I admired him so much! Even furious at him, I can never deny his talents. He is a gifted man.
Then came a pull back, the "Shake" series, joining Boards to return insults, the Bribe story with anonymous sources, the membership at the Cave.
Yes, there were idiots posting vile things all over the INTERNET. But when Cash started to spoon feed them to his readers, the potential jury pool, then, IMO, he started to hurt the boys through things they could not control. He smeared them with others words. Even if there would be no trial, he added to the injustice done to them.
I'm sure he will attack me again or smear me in the Cave. But I found it infuriating and sad. Because he certainly might have been the media figure we ALL could have admired, we all could have trusted. He is very talented.