What is the current situation with Levicy?

[J. Elliott]

Hallo, all...

Been awhile!

Got into an argument with an enabler last night and got smacked up with the ol', "There was evidence in the beginning, we didn't support this case with nothing at all to back up the claims."

To those of us who followed the developments, the truth is that there weren't 15 minutes on any single afternoon where the allegations had the support of actual evidence. Natch' - no crime, no evidence...

Still, though, this latest dumb argument with someone who just won't let go reminded me of how the allegations found traction. In the beginning, I was one of those who figured they'd done it - what DA in his right mind would come out so forcefully unless he had proof it was true?

We all know about Nifong. He's getting his, as justice demands. But what about the person who gave Nifong the legal basis for going forward?

It wasn't enough that Levicy induced Mangum into making her rape claim. "Yes, in fact I was raped! Thank you for reminding me - and by the way, this explains my crazy behavior, so can I just go now?"

Oh no, Levicy followed this terrible blunder up with what were probably the first genuine criminal steps in our beloved criminal conspiracy. Levicy, from what I recall, was THE party supplying Nifong with medical evaluations that could be used to get indictments. Without women's-graduate hyperactive Levicy, no outlandishly unprofessional and unsubstantiated medical lies to flim-flam the grand jury.

Basically, if Mangum had run into a professional and well-trained SANE nurse then none of us would know each other. Mangum would have been summarily dismissed as a weirdo and committed for her psych evaluation that weekend. End of story.

Nifong may have been the engine on this derailed train, but it was Levicy who acted as the first in a long line of bums stoking the coals. Her lies were pivotal, and as the argument last night reminded me, there was/is still a large number of people who think there was medical evidence to support Mangum's claims at some point. Many of them are still hanging on, so I blame Levicy for a large part of the public dysfuction in being able to see the Duke LAX scandal as what it was - a woman falsely accused several men of gang rape, then a crooked DA and a rabid phalanx of leftist ideologues turned upon the race of the actors for their own ends and left Truth in the dust.

Why in the world shouldn't this woman be front-n-center when the FBI starts investigating the people who had binding obligations to be truthful and correct in their roles? The media is free to make a circus out of these type events, but when it comes to the cops, the DA, and the medical employees whose reports will later form the basis of the case - well, these folks have to play it straight.

Levicy clearly did not know what the hell she was talking about, in which case she clearly lacks the maturity and good sense to know when to bud out and say, "Ya know, I've only been doing this for a short time and this job requires experience I do not yet have." She should have declined to be on point in this affair, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why. If memory serves, she leaped forward to mis-represent herself as the examining physician and was extremely out of line in characterizing Mangum's swelling as consistent with sexual assault. Her swelling and tenderness were also consistent with using sex toys on herself as a means of employment, yes?

Why hasn't the lynch-pin of the fabulously misdiagnosed medical reports been fired, sued, or indicted for something?

If the SANE process can generate reports used to frame innocent men as has been the case, then what is the rationale for keeping the system instead of junking it?

Nifong made one thing clear - he relied upon the medical reports to get his indictments, and in this instance correctly passed the buck onto DUMC. The most aggravating thing about the settlement, to me, was having it cover this aspect of the Hoax. I wanna see the people who dropped the ball on Mangum's diagnosis, and assistance in coming up with the rape idea, explain themselves in a court of law. The rallying call of the enabling hoard was that we needed a trial in order to put everyone under oath and be truthful, as PB graciously reminded us ad infinitum. I see no reason to argue with his sound judgment in this regard.

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So as my mother and I were wrapping up the latest flame-up over this case, she tried to dismiss the whole affair and say they were found innocent, so it's over. Why drag on with it after it's done?

OVER??? I says! What kind of criminal case can be played out and finished when the criminals haven't even gone before a grand jury yet???

[cecelia]

Excellent post.

  Is Levicy working as a SANE nurse somewhere now?  Her actions in this case are at least a new form of malpractice...a distortion of the scientific findings that did great harm to many people, just not her patient.

But to allow her to keep her license is to continue to place others in jeopardy IMO. Her agenda trumps her abilities to discern symptoms. Did she suggest rape, then find a way to confirm what she suggested?  It follows then, she will find rape victims wherever she practices. She will find symptoms , present or not. She will put other men in danger of false accusation and trial.

And if she encounters a real rape victim, her testimony would be scourged at trial. She would be a hinderance to a real victim because she has no credibility. She sold out to agenda and hitched her nursing star to Nifong. 

[cpamba]

Your posts underscore how important it is to keep this horrible person's name in the spotlight until charges are ultimately filed.   There are more Levicy's out there that need to be discouraged by watching this one go to prision.

[MarkRougemont]

How funny, what a coincidence this subject comes up again now.  Considering what we now know about the accusers sexual history leading up to that night as well as a penchant for falling down, is it surprising that her condition was not diagnosed correctly.  If it was such an obvious mistake, why didn't Dr. Manly attempt to correct the record immediately?

From Nifong's notes: (Reading at the Bar deposition)

"Then the next page, under the heading "Pelvic exam," "extreme tenderness, vocalized extreme pain upon insertion of speculum. Clinical decision by Dr. Manly not to do colposcope exam," and I've spelled that c-o-l-p-o-s-c-o-p-e. And here's a word that I can't make out. The word looks like perhaps dye, d-y-e, but I'm not sure. And then it says, "because of patient's pain. Objective standards of pain - muscles tight, gripping bed."

"Then the next topic says, "consistent with sexual assault emotionally and physically." There's a 1, "emotionally signs of rape trauma syndrome. When I cam in room and woke her up - first sign was screaming at male DCRC volunteer." That's abbreviated v-o-l. "No signs of intoxication - consistent responses, periods of crying, deep sadness," quote, I am so embarrassed to say what they said to me," end of quote."

My understanding is that she didn't even examine CGM until she had been there for about 4 hours. Is it surprising that the accuser was no longer acting intoxicated or crazy? I believe she stated that the accuser acted "drowsy" after a nap. Or is it the fact that she is a supporter of rape victims that makes everyone assume she is lying? Maybe she was just an inexperienced nurse doing the best she could and giving an honest opinion of the accusers condition, regardless of her personal stance on rape issues.  Is it surprising that a SANE nurse has a strong opinion about sexual assault in general?

I just don't see her role in this as a major one.  This need to follow her around the country trying to convince her new employer to get rid of her and ruin her carreer is not neccessary and speaks of a desire for extreme payback, simply because she had an opinion about the accusers condition that turned out not to be true.

Get over it and move on.

[Lora]

Levicy did NOT "induce" Crystal Mangum into making her rape claim.  Crystal made the claim at Durham Access, not at DUMC.

I don't know of any lies Levicy told.  She obviously believed Crystal, as did a number of people.  For example, I don't think Levicy ever used the word "injuries;" I think "injuries" were assumed from her description and that word was inserted later.

So I don't see what exactly Levicy did to make her "horrible" or to send her to prison.

[Mr X]

there is a long list of Hoaxsmen involved in this Frame. to date, only one has been punished, The Fong. I would like them all to stand before the bar of justice and explain themselves. can't really heal until some wounds are inflicted, right?

[Sydney Carton]

    "first sign was screaming at male DCRC volunteer."

        Yeah she was still screaming at white males months later, according to Cousin Jakki.
  Crystal  probably worked  that screaming bit  into her act down at the Platinum.White males would pay her to go away.I recollect  she was doing it before the Duke party.Possibly years before for all anyone knows.
   Still I think we can avoid  indicting  Crystal  for hate crimes.There is no reason to assume she treats black guys any  better. In fact,all her known previous victims are black males.

[wumhenry]

Considering what we now know about the accusers sexual history leading up to that night as well as a penchant for falling down, is it surprising that her condition was not diagnosed correctly.  If it was such an obvious mistake, why didn't Dr. Manly attempt to correct the record immediately?

From KC's book (p.47):  "Levicy didn't tell Gottlieb that she personally had never viewed the only objective 'injury' discovered in the March 14 exam, Dr. Manly's diagnosis of 'diffuse edema in the vaginal walls.'  So Gottlieb never spoke to Manly about her exam ....  Nor did any other representative from Durham law enforcement.  Defense attorney Doug Kingsbery later speculated that 'after speaking with Levicy, the authorities felt like they had the perfect witness and did not need to interview Manly.'"

[cpamba]

Get over it and move on.

No.  Not until she serves time for her crimes.

[vegas]

Get over it and move on.

No.  Not until she serves time for her crimes.

Don't hold your breath while you are waiting.  It ain't happening.  Nor will there be criminal charges on anyone else. It is nineteen months later. What is the statue of limitations on this event? 

[cpamba]

Get over it and move on.

No.  Not until she serves time for her crimes.

Don't hold your breath while you are waiting.  It ain't happening.  Nor will there be criminal charges on anyone else. It is nineteen months later. What is the statue of limitations on this event? 

Who said I was holding my breath?  There are enough people out there (who believe she's a dispicable criminal and a pathetic excuse for a human being) to make sure she never again finds any peace in her life.  At the very least, she's been found guilty in the court of public opinion.  Just google on her and you'll see what I mean. 

[vegas]

I know for a fact that a few bloggers *who renforce each other) is not the court of public opinion.

[Sydney Carton]

   Vegas,you volunteered to stop  further reiterating your opinions concerning this woman.Pray oblige us.

[vegas]

   Vegas,you volunteered to stop  further reiterating your opinions concerning this woman.Pray oblige us.

Go Away - I was writing about criminal suits - Is this a reading comprehensin problem?

[J. Elliott]

Lora makes a point needing consideration. What things do we bloggers *think* Levicy did that, in fact, she had no part in? For quite some time I have thought this: 1) Someone asked Mangum if she had been raped. Before this question, she'd never mentioned it. After the question, she said she had been brutally raped. 2) Levicy was the person who asked this.

Corrections, please, if anyone can easily state Levicy's main involvement in: securing the indictments, and; otherwise pushing forward the allegations as likely true.

Way back, I read a column criticizing Levicy for her actions. It made a big impression on me, as at that time I had begun to wonder who was furnishing Nifong with medical evaluations that he'd taken to the grand jury. The column was written by a SANE nurse with many years of experience and she was dishing it out thick as to why Levicy had bungled her end of it. The specifics I have forgotten, but the tone of it was clear - Levicy failed to approach the allegations with a proper degree of caution, showing an inordinate and inappropriate amount of support for the Mangum's claims. Nifong only too gladly used her willingness to back up Mangum's lies later on, and to great effect.

This is not what a court-bound evaluative procedure needs, it seems to me (not that I know a thing about the SANE rules) - proactive nurses looking for reasons to support allegations, whose judgment will later be used as the basis for securing indictments. It seems to me her job requires a mild-mannered, dispassionate, skeptical disposition that leaves determining the truth of how the complainant was injured, if there is indeed an injury, to the people doing the criminal investigation. All a SANE nurse can know is the condition of the tissue pertaining to an alleged crime, is this not so? The rest of it, including the psychological evaluation, is better left to other experts, of which there are several. If Levicy began offering an opinion as to the truth of the allegations then she was way out of line, not having access to anything more than what she witnessed at DUMC.

It's been so long now, I can't explicitly recall what public statements Levicy made that would have bolstered Mangum's story(s). I'm assuming she did, in fact, go public with statements the public was bound to take as medically sound judgment that injuries clearly existed indicating rape. Is this right? And beyond this - did she ever wander off into considerations of whether Mangum had, in fact, been raped?

Levicy would have had no business offering her opinion as to whether Mangum was telling the truth. That job falls to the cops and ultimately the jury. Her job was to help examine the physical condition of the complainant and help determine if there were injuries to tissue and characterizing the nature of the injury. That's all. In fact, unless her injuries shouted out less than about a 98% certainty of cause, then she shouldn't have been saying anything at all to the public. The rest of us can say whatever we wish, but the people involved in providing the court with evidence need to remain silent until trial. The public will take whatever they say and run with it, which may easily end up corrupting the search for the truth.

(Not that finding out the truth ever mattered much to the majority of the enablers, unless it meant the LAX players had done it. I always said, "Watch out!" for the deafening yawn if the case turned toward Mangum. Truth doesn't go away, it only takes new turns. Now that the LAX players are off the hook, hardly any of the enablers give a damn about prosecuting the crime that clearly took place. The funny thing is that it was a hate crime - innocent people were made whipping posts over their race, gender, and social status. The mob was within a hair of killing them at one point. Where are the hate crime warriors when we need 'em, aye? I guess you can't be a victim of a hate crime if you're white, male, and monied. Now, why is this so - perhaps because the hate crime was waged primarily by the same crowd that prides itself on having the country's most highly developed sense of fairness and justice? I'm a lifelong Democrat and I tell you, the Stalinist tactics the Left employed in this joke of a prosecution has changed my opinion of liberals, and I don't mean for the better.)

Anything more than that, and you open the door to having opinionated, inexperienced, or incompetent SANE nurses rendering mile-wide conclusions to all sorts of things that are beyond their specialty. And let's not forget this - just as the cop who is doing the investigation is NOT to be the one running the ID lineup, the professional who has to be in the room with the victim shouldn't be the one giving opinions about guilt. What compassionate person can witness what happens to alleged rape victims, most of whom are telling the truth, and not want to rush to their aid?

It's people like Mangum - cold, calculating, and possibly deranged, who muck up the whole process by telling outrageous lies that, if believed, will wreak havoc upon innocent victims.

All the medical personnel were deliberately conned by Mangum. The question is this - how eagerly did Levicy lap it all up? Was her mind swimming in anti-male hate fantasies as she listened to whatever crappola Mangum fed her, rendering her incapable of furnishing the court with a sound medical evaluation? Did Levicy happily and dynamically leave all her training behind, take a look around at the gathering storm, and decide to become a vigilante for Justice? The way the Duke AAAS professors did?

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The bottom line is this - two strippers left a party. One was driving, the other hitching a ride. The driver couldn't get the hitcher out of her car, with the cops eventually being brought in to remove the hitcher. The driver drove home, while the hitcher was taken in for some sort of look-see to determine what to do with her.

Somehow, some way, the hitcher started claiming she had been raped. It was determined she made it all up, and at no point did any significant evidence exist to indicate she had been assaulted.

There are those of us who think that the indictments drawn off this fiction were accidental mistakes, the sort of thing that just happens from time to time. Others of us, having paid attention to the outlandish bigotry and hatred showered down upon the chumps who were needlessly indicted, and financially and spiritually raped, suspect that the indictments were the result of a loose conspiracy. Waged by myriad people who saw in the LAX players the perfect target for excising all their personal demons, or in Nifong's case, simply the vehicle for securing his pension and avoiding being canned by the woman he'd fired two years earlier.

I ask you - which of these two scenarios is less troublesome? Would you rather live in a legal system that routinely spits out BS medical evaluations that can be used to indict any third citizen standing in line for a ham sandwich, or is it preferable to see this abomination as the result of hacks, ideologues, and lazy cops, none of whom could manage to care about how they weren't doing their jobs right in this peculiar instance?

I'll wager that it is far better we had a bunch of lazy-asses who abdicated their responsibilities, maybe even helping him, as Nifong ravaged the LAX players for monetary gain than the alternative - that the SANE process is so riddled with holes it can systematically render court-bound medical evaluations that are perfectly capable of resulting in the ruination of innocent people.

I'd just as soon think the Duke Hoax was the result of small people, blinded by discrimination, not doing their jobs right as to believe that. And in that case, the proper end to this mess is to fry the people who dropped the ball. Then we can move on, after we're all assured the system has been righted by scaring the hell out of the other people who'd do the same thing next time 'round.

There's just something wrong, something terribly immoral in letting no one but Nifong suffer for their parts in this fiasco. The enablers may want this badly, yammering all the while about closure and fairness (?!) to these bums, but so what? They've more than amply demonstrated their lack of morality in this affair.