Lacosse Players Speak Out

[Krystal Night]

        Actually,Crystal abandoned the money to go after Dave Evans' shaving kiit.Her sticky fingers just couldn't hold everything at once and she opted  for what she believed to be the more valuable article.
   
   

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Sydney Carton]

    IMHO,Joan of Dark ,KK  writes:
  snip
Roy Cooper's Summary of Conclusions:

The Missing Money..

'Two of the attendees, while using the bathroom, noticed that one of the dancer's had LEFT HER COSMETICS BAG  BEHIND in the bathroom. Each separately took money out of the bag and were told by Flannery and Evans to return the money to the bag'.




Sydney Carton~ For giggles, lets go with your theory. Then that would mean Roy Cooper told a whopper? 

   SC:
HAR,HAR,HAR ,you always were more fun than a barrell of monkies Immiie(If being cooped in a barrell of monkies constitutes one's idea of fun).
   In case you hadn't notices ,your heroine is caught on a timed camera  with  Dave's  bag in her hand.(In case you've forgotton,Sarah and I discussed it here when the iincriminating photograph first surfaced.)
   Crystal's sticky  fingers are clearly  clutching  the bag.She made a willful and conscious exchange..She entered the house a second time and did not reclaim the bag though she again locked herself in the bathroonm --with 'her" filthy lucre.She didn't dare attempt to  reclaim the second bagbecause Dave would have discovered his bag was missing and she could have immediately been arrested for theft BEFORE they  got down to settling the question of whether she was ever in legal possession of the four hundred dollars at all.
   The second bag  would then have been confiscated as evidence by the police if she had first first been charged with the larceny of the Evans bag.
  (At other times Crystal claimed  that she had eight hundred dollars -and also two thousand dollars - in that cosmetics  bag.Further,she told Kim she was going back in to make more money and still later asked Kim to  put some marks on herA few days later she again bragged to  her pals at the Platimum Club that she was going "to make the white boys pay" It all sounds like extortion to me.Disordered,even imbelcilic ,extortion,but extortion as well as theft nevertheless).
Immie:
 So, Who's lying SC?  Roy Cooper?  Dave Evans? Flannery?
SC:
   I'll just be kind about who is  suffering from some kind of idee fixe on this subject(hiint it is not Carton,Fkannery or Evans) and say that Cooper's "left behing" could be considered  synonymous  with abandonment when the object was left behnd iin the course of committing a robbery .
   If you surprise a thief in the course of ransacking your home and she flees leaving her property behind ,can she sue you for its return  or an equivalent amount,plus damages for witholdiing "her" belongings?
    I am asking for there  are incredibly diverse legal ruling on this over the past six hundred years of case law in Britain and the United States.
   Dave and Dan did do the cautious  thing by keeping the money together,though apart from the fact that Crystal abandoned her property in the course of committing a premeditated crime,she clearly violated her civil contract to perform,and if the affair had got into night court(which is where thje entire case  belonged if anywhere in the legal  system) the boys would have had the four hundred bucks restored to them by an y reputable magistrate (such seem to be rare in Durham)within ten minutes.{On the other hand in the highly likely possibility that Crystal left behind  property belonging to third parties which she had  previouslystolen the boys would have been compounding the theft by confiscasting  previiously stolen property to compensate for their losses.]
  [ And,oh yes,Crystal did say that it was Kim,NOT THE PLAYERS, who "stole" the money.My point is that if you believe her(and you invariably profess to  believe Crystal)you,not I,must beleve that Kim robbed her even though Crystal plainly ,no longer had the money whiich was purported stolen by Kin.Unless she really did have an extra eight hundred or two thousand bucks concealed within her anatomy.And if it was stuffed up inside her,how could a rapehave  been consumated?]
    To conclude with a personal anecdote of a counter legal interpretation ,a  friend of  mine (English)  warned  me that he had once been convicted  of theft.Huh? My friend is impeccably honest and from a well placed family. It seems that he had been convicted  of grand larceny from persons unknown.Definition:he lives in Balgravia,one of the most expensive areas of Londonia.Bright young things there are constantlly(or were a few years back)throwing out for trash collection nineteenth century furniture-and art work-which they inherited from their parents but want to replace with all the latest.My friend spied an excellent Morris chair that was out for pick up and ,in the process of  carrying it back to his neighboring  flat when he was arrested for grand larceny from persons unknown -even though he had clearly removed the object  from a refuse pile!He got a suspended sentence despite the fact that the object was clearly abandoned and there was  no complaining  witness.A year later he got to know one of the nicer cops in the area and when they went to the cop's house  together he found his Morris chair was now the cop's prize objet d'art. The cop later had paid lost and pound about fifteen bucks for it!
   My friend iis black  and did not look as if he belonged in the area which he chose to live.On the other hand,a white art dealer I know who lived in the same area searches the trash bins every night and his told that any citizen has a right to clearly abandoned objects.He once found a beautiful juvenile sketch book by one of Portugal's leading  artists.It would have been consigned to flames the following morning  if he had not been there to rescue it.He got written up in the papers and no arrested him for reclaiming the abandoned object at all.
  Immie:
    Please get the facts straight, SC. May I suggest you start by reading? Reading is knowledge. According to Roy Cooper's Summary of Conclusions, someone got a 5 finger discount from Ms Crystal Mangum's purse and it wasn't Ms Kim Roberts either.

 Your thoughts, Mr. Carton?

SC:
   I think your are an absolute gas; but,on the whole, I do not find Auschwitz amusing.
   
Sarah:
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Krystal Night (A.K.A. ????.. I wonder) you remind me of someone who considers the most important issue in relation to World War II was the manner in which it effected Malta.
 
I think we have all been using these boards long enough to treat the "lets try and derail this thread by arguing about malicious trivia" trick in the way it deserves.
MarkRougemont
     I don't see Krystal Knight correcting SC's version of what happened to the money as "malicious trivia".  I don't believe changing the story to make the Lacrosse players appear as perfect angels is a good thing.  The truth should stand or fall on it's own, in my opinion.
snip

SC:
  So do I,and since not everyone who reads here is acquainted with the past history of our communications I have taken more time thanit was worth to correct the malicious trivia that was  tossed around here.
  So,I suggest that KK or whatever she is calliing herself thiis afternoon. apologize to the players for mucking up their thread with her snide coomments and QUIETLY GO AWAY.
 
Immie
   ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 IMHO,Joan D,KN (snip)
Roy Cooper's Summary of Conclusions:

The Missing Money..

'Two of the attendees, while using the bathroom, noticed that one of the dancer's had LEFT HER COSMETICS BAG  BEHIND in the bathroom. Each separately took money out of the bag and were told by Flannery and Evans to return the money to the bag'.




Sydney Carton~ For giggles, lets go with your theory. Then that would mean Roy Cooper told a whopper? 

   SC:
HAR,HAR,HAR ,you always were more fun than a barrell of monkies Immiie(If being cooped in a barrell of monkies constitutes one's idea of fun).
   In case you hadn't notices ,your heroine is caught on a timed camera  with  Dave's  bag in her hand.(In case you've forgotton,Sarah and I discussed it here when the iincriminating photograph first surfaced.)
   Crystal's sticky  fingers are clearly  clutching  the bag.She made a willful and conscious exchange..She entered the house a second time and did not reclaim the bag though she again locked herself in the bathroonm --with 'her" filthy lucre.She didn't dare attempt to  reclaim the second bagbecause Dave would have discovered his bag was missing and she could have immediately been arrested for theft BEFORE they  got down to settling the question of whether she was ever in legal possession of the four hundred dollars at all.
   The second bag  would then have been confiscated as evidence by the police if she had first first been charged with the larceny of the Evans bag.
  (At other times Crystal claimed  that she had eight hundred dollars -and also two thousand dollars - in that cosmetics  bag.Further,she told Kim she was going back in to make more money and still later asked Kim to  put some marks on herA few days later she again bragged to  her pals at the Platimum Club that she was going "to make the white boys pay" It all sounds like extortion to me.Disordered,even imbelcilic ,extortion,but extortion as well as theft nevertheless).
Immie:
 So, Who's lying SC?  Roy Cooper?  Dave Evans? Flannery?
SC:
   I'll just be kind about who is  suffering from some kind of idee fixe on this subject(hiint it is not Carton,Fkannery or Evans) and say that Cooper's "left behing" could be considered  synonymous  with abandonment when the object was left behnd iin the course of committing a robbery .
   If you surprise a thief in the course of ransacking your home and she flees leaving her property behind ,can she sue you for its return  or an equivalent amount,plus damages for witholdiing "her" belongings?
    I am asking for there  are incredibly diverse legal ruling on this over the past six hundred years of case law in Britain and the United States.
   Dave and Dan did do the cautious  thing by keeping the money together,though apart from the fact that Crystal abandoned her property in the course of committing a premeditated crime,she clearly violated her civil contract to perform,and if the affair had got into night court(which is where thje entire case  belonged if anywhere in the legal  system) the boys would have had the four hundred bucks restored to them by an y reputable magistrate (such seem to be rare in Durham)within ten minutes.{On the other hand in the highly likely possibility that Crystal left behind  property belonging to third parties which she had  previouslystolen the boys would have been compounding the theft by confiscasting  previiously stolen property to compensate for their losses.]
  [ And,oh yes,Crystal did say that it was Kim,NOT THE PLAYERS, who "stole" the money.My point is that if you believe her(and you invariably profess to  believe Crystal)you,not I,must beleve that Kim robbed her even though Crystal plainly ,no longer had the money whiich was purported stolen by Kin.Unless she really did have an extra eight hundred or two thousand bucks concealed within her anatomy.And if it was stuffed up inside her,how could a rapehave  been consumated?]
    To conclude with a personal anecdote of a counter legal interpretation ,a  friend of  mine (English)  warned  me that he had once been convicted  of theft.Huh? My friend is impeccably honest and from a well placed family. It seems that he had been convicted  of grand larceny from persons unknown.Definition:he lives in Balgravia,one of the most expensive areas of Londonia.Bright young things there are constantlly(or were a few years back)throwing out for trash collection nineteenth century furniture-and art work-which they inherited from their parents but want to replace with all the latest.My friend spied an excellent Morris chair that was out for pick up and ,in the process of  carrying it back to his neighboring  flat when he was arrested for grand larceny from persons unknown -even though he had clearly removed the object  from a refuse pile!He got a suspended sentence despite the fact that the object was clearly abandoned and there was  no complaining  witness.A year later he got to know one of the nicer cops in the area and when they went to the cop's house  together he found his Morris chair was now the cop's prize objet d'art. The cop later had paid lost and pound about fifteen bucks for it!
   My friend iis black  and did not look as if he belonged in the area which he chose to live.On the other hand,a white art dealer I know who lived in the same area searches the trash bins every night and his told that any citizen has a right to clearly abandoned objects.He once found a beautiful juvenile sketch book by one of Portugal's leading  artists.It would have been consigned to flames the following morning  if he had not been there to rescue it.He got written up in the papers and no arrested him for reclaiming the abandoned object at all.
  Immie:
    Please get the facts straight, SC. May I suggest you start by reading? Reading is knowledge. According to Roy Cooper's Summary of Conclusions, someone got a 5 finger discount from Ms Crystal Mangum's purse and it wasn't Ms Kim Roberts either.

 Your thoughts, Mr. Carton?

SC:
   I think your are an absolute gas; but,on the whole, I do not find Auschwitz amusing.
   
Sarah:
   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Krystal Night (A.K.A. ????.. I wonder) you remind me of someone who considers the most important issue in relation to World War II was the manner in which it effected Malta.
 
I think we have all been using these boards long enough to treat the "lets try and derail this thread by arguing about malicious trivia" trick in the way it deserves.
MarkRougemont
     I don't see Krystal Knight correcting SC's version of what happened to the money as "malicious trivia".  I don't believe changing the story to make the Lacrosse players appear as perfect angels is a good thing.  The truth should stand or fall on it's own, in my opinion.
snip

SC:
  So do I,and since not everyone who reads here is acquainted with the past history of our communications I have taken more time thanit was worth to correct the malicious trivia that was  tossed around here.
  So,I suggest that KK or whatever she is calliing herself thiis afternoon. apologize to the players for mucking up their thread with her snide coomments and QUIETLY GO AWAY.
 
Immie
   ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Sarah]

It is malicious trivia Mark because it is an irrelevance which people use in a dishonorable effort to imply an equivalence which does not exist in any moral sense.  It is a means of blaming the victims for what was done to them, whereas it isn't even in the same ball park.

I think Ryan McFadyen has every reason to seek vindication, we still references to this "evil and depraved" e-mail, usually from the same people who have praised its inventiveness and dark humor, had it been written by someone else in a different circumstance.

[Sydney Carton]

   Thank you,Sarah,and here is more great news from the Lacrosse front courtesy of Mike Kell.

        http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=15537

USILA Scholar All-Americans for 2009 (Divisions I, II, III)

The USILA Scholar All-America Program was established in 1989 to recognize student-athletes from USILA member institutions who have distinguished themselves academically, athletically, and as citizens of their communities. The USILA Selection Committee chooses an overall team representing Divisions I, II and III, and they are recognized at the annual Lacrosse All-America Banquet.

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(whole list)

Ryan McFadyen Duke
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Brad Ross Duke
           

[MarkRougemont]

 Sydney said "Immie"....

Forgive me for still being a bit sensitive on this issue but I think that it is highly unlikely that KN is inmyhumbleopinion.  Just a thought SC.

[JoanOfDark]

Sydney Carton:

IMHO,Joan of Dark ,KK  writes:

Sydney, I politely suggest that you get your facts straight before stating that I am IMHO or KK -- I am neither of those posters.

[Sarah]

Sydney, I politely suggest that you get your facts straight before stating that I am IMHO or KK -- I am neither of those posters.

Whether you are or not, you seem kindred spirits, you don't meet up anywhere near a cauldron on a blasted moor by any chance do you?

[Krystal Night]

Sydney Carton:

IMHO,Joan of Dark ,KK  writes:

Sydney, I politely suggest that you get your facts straight before stating that I am IMHO or KK -- I am neither of those posters.

I can vouch for that! I am not inmyhumbleopinion. Why all the false accusations? Why the rush to judgement when it fits your ideology, SC?  I am innocent! Where is my declaration? Where is my apology?  I've been damaged. I want to be compensated.

[JoanOfDark]

Sydney, I politely suggest that you get your facts straight before stating that I am IMHO or KK -- I am neither of those posters.

Whether you are or not, you seem kindred spirits, you don't meet up anywhere near a cauldron on a blasted moor by any chance do you?

Evidently one doesn't need to meet on a "blasted moor" in order to be a witch.

http://sarahmaidofalbion.blogspot.com/

Who is the "pretty lady" walking in the woods?

[Krystal Night]

Sydney, I politely suggest that you get your facts straight before stating that I am IMHO or KK -- I am neither of those posters.

Whether you are or not, you seem kindred spirits, you don't meet up anywhere near a cauldron on a blasted moor by any chance do you?

Evidently one doesn't need to meet on a "blasted moor" in order to be a witch.

http://sarahmaidofalbion.blogspot.com/

Who is the "pretty lady" walking in the woods?

 ***With raised eyebrows***


I'll bet I know who the "pretty lady" is?

[MarkRougemont]

Sarah said:  "I think Ryan McFadyen has every reason to seek vindication, we still (see) references to this "evil and depraved" e-mail, usually from the same people who have praised its inventiveness and dark humor, had it been written by someone else in a different circumstance.

 I agree with you that there exists still two schools of thought on the e-mail or possibly a third middle position somewhere.  By making himself part of one of the lawsuits the entire context of this e-mail and the e-mails before and after should come out.  I also think he is possibly the one non-indicted player that has the best claim for damages.  I have never been convinced he meant the e-mail literally but I am also not convinced it was a harmless literary reference made in poor taste.  Hopefully the civil suits will shed some additional light on the whole issue of the e-mail, and of course, how it was obtained is still a mystery and could be an important factor.

[Krystal Night]

Sarah said:  "I think Ryan McFadyen has every reason to seek vindication, we still (see) references to this "evil and depraved" e-mail, usually from the same people who have praised its inventiveness and dark humor, had it been written by someone else in a different circumstance.

 I agree with you that there exists still two schools of thought on the e-mail or possibly a third middle position somewhere.  By making himself part of one of the lawsuits the entire context of this e-mail and the e-mails before and after should come out.  I also think he is possibly the one non-indicted player that has the best claim for damages.  I have never been convinced he meant the e-mail literally but I am also not convinced it was a harmless literary reference made in poor taste.  Hopefully the civil suits will shed some additional light on the whole issue of the e-mail, and of course, how it was obtained is still a mystery and could be an important factor.

Ryan McFadyen opined:

"I would also like to emphasize the fact that nothing I did involving the email or the money mentioned in Dave Evans’ written statement was illegal".



Is that so, Mr. McFadyen?  Let the courts be the judge of that. I don't want to speak out of terms but afaik, going into someone's purse and taking their money is against the law. It is considered theft, which
is a crime. I am left wondering, what would Magistrate Judge Wallace W. Dixon think of Ryan McFadyen's statement about the money?

[inmyhumbleopinion]

   Thank you,Sarah,and here is more great news from the Lacrosse front courtesy of Mike Kell.

        http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=15537

~snip!~
           

Hello Sydney!  Hello Sarah!  Hello all of my old TalkLeft friends and new arrivals!

Here is more and even greater news from the Lacrosse front:

Syracuse routs Duke 17-7 to reach men's lacrosse title game

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/lacrosse/2009-05-23-mens-semifinals_N.htm

That's right, I'm back.  We can thank Sydney Cart00n's false accusations concerning me posting as Joan of Dark and Krystal Night for TalkLeft's decision to unban me. 

SWEET!

[Krystal Night]

   Thank you,Sarah,and here is more great news from the Lacrosse front courtesy of Mike Kell.

        http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=15537

~snip!~
           

Hello Sydney!  Hello Sarah!  Hello all of my old TalkLeft friends and new arrivals!

Here is more and even greater news from the Lacrosse front:

Syracuse routs Duke 17-7 to reach men's lacrosse title game

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/lacrosse/2009-05-23-mens-semifinals_N.htm

That's right, I'm back.  We can thank Sydney Cart00n's false accusations concerning me posting as Joan of Dark and Krystal Night for TalkLeft's decision to unban me. 

SWEET!

Good you're here inmyhumbleopinion.  Are these people always rushing to judgement?  I feel so damaged, my feelings are hurt.  **Sniff**  I /am/was innocent and SC, &  Sarah were falsely accusing me. I did nothing wrong.

[Krystal Night]

It is malicious trivia Mark because it is an irrelevance which people use in a dishonorable effort to imply an equivalence which does not exist in any moral sense.  It is a means of blaming the victims for what was done to them, whereas it isn't even in the same ball park.

Pray tell? When has truth become malicious trivia? SC was not being truthful about what happened to Ms Crystal Mangum's money. Does truth complicate things in your world, Sarah? You seem to be confused.