Lacosse Players Speak Out

[emmy954]

Thanks TL for restoring the PM function...I am such a procastinator, so I haven't yet contacted hp...now that the PM is back on, I'll do so soon!

Newport was a very independant mind, so when he thought something was right, it didn't matter whose side anyone was on.  I do miss my correspondence with him, but he really did lose interest in the case, and had moved on.  He also kind of missed the battles that we all engaged in long ago.  I don't think he checks in much, if at all, any more.  I know LT was going to try to contact him after the LS board crashed...I didn't bother because I really felt it would be to no avail.  He was a great advocate for RCD when they really needed them most. 

[Sydney Carton]

       Just In!!!
  http://www.newsobserver.com/news/durham/story/1576560.html

Andrew Giuliani, son of the former New York City mayor, has enlisted the help of other Duke University athletes in his fight against his alma mater.

Players from the 2006 Duke lacrosse team have filed a friend-of-the-court brief, lending their support to Giuliani in his claim that Duke violated a contract with him when the school kicked him off the golf team.

Thirty-eight members of the 2006 team made similar arguments in the federal suit filed in February 2008 against Duke, the city of Durham and top administrators. That case is pending.
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[Krystal Night]

       Just In!!!
  http://www.newsobserver.com/news/durham/story/1576560.html

Andrew Giuliani, son of the former New York City mayor, has enlisted the help of other Duke University athletes in his fight against his alma mater.

Players from the 2006 Duke lacrosse team have filed a friend-of-the-court brief, lending their support to Giuliani in his claim that Duke violated a contract with him when the school kicked him off the golf team.

Thirty-eight members of the 2006 team made similar arguments in the federal suit filed in February 2008 against Duke, the city of Durham and top administrators. That case is pending.
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It is a waste of the court's time. It'll get them nothing!

[MarkRougemont]

  I am curious at the strategy of filing this brief.  It would appear to me that this is a pretty weak case and it would make sense that they would want to highlight the differences rather than similarities between these cases.

[vegas]

  I am curious at the strategy of filing this brief.  It would appear to me that this is a pretty weak case and it would make sense that they would want to highlight the differences rather than similarities between these cases.

Don't they have the same lawyer?  Its ridiculous in my opinion. There is some 400 pages, again from  lawyer E.

[MarkRougemont]

  I am curious at the strategy of filing this brief.  It would appear to me that this is a pretty weak case and it would make sense that they would want to highlight the differences rather than similarities between these cases.

Don't they have the same lawyer?  Its ridiculous in my opinion. There is some 400 pages, again from  lawyer E.

I believe you have made the connection I did not, vegas.  So the strategy could be either charge by the page or to try to use one case to prop up the other.  Perhaps he will also eventually file a friend of the court brief on the various Lacrosse cases on behalf of the Giuliani case?  Just seems a bit incestuous.

[hp4578]

I have found Andrew G. ridiculous since his father was making a speech as mayor of NYC when A. was a little boy.  Andrew was behaving like a little monkey, making faces at the camera, under the podium where his father was speaking.    His parents should have put him in his seat and told him to behave.   I don't know if his case has any merit but he just annoys me.

[Krystal Night]

I have found Andrew G. ridiculous since his father was making a speech as mayor of NYC when A. was a little boy.  Andrew was behaving like a little monkey, making faces at the camera, under the podium where his father was speaking.    His parents should have put him in his seat and told him to behave.   I don't know if his case has any merit but he just annoys me.

Hp4578,

You made me laugh!  Was Andrew Giuliani the one who said Rudy Giuliani probably would make a better president than a father? If so, that was pretty mean talk coming from a son. It might have been true but still.

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I have found Andrew G. ridiculous since his father was making a speech as mayor of NYC when A. was a little boy.  Andrew was behaving like a little monkey, making faces at the camera, under the podium where his father was speaking.    His parents should have put him in his seat and told him to behave.   I don't know if his case has any merit but he just annoys me.

My reading of the details of his removal from the golf team led me to believe he hasn't changed much.  Finally someone told him to sit down - the golf coach and a majority of his teammates.

[Sydney Carton]

   Actualllly,on one level  we  all agree for once.Merry Andrew lacks any sense of the riculoous.He is funny and he has no sense of humor.The Judge(who will almost certainly be reversed) was wrong to cast Andy for a remake of Caddyshac k, a remake of the witless "Revenge of the Nerds" would be more suiited to Andrew's forte.
    Nevertheless,Eckstandt knows exactly what he is doing.
       Justitia has yet to post its links to the pleas.Until then look at the excerpts over here:
          http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/1830718/2/
    The fact is that  Duke University regularly utilizes both the alternative claims that it is or is not contractually bound by its official rule book interpretations depending on its financial interests at a given moment.
   The admistration was  extremely foolish to promise Andrew what he could reasonably expect they were promising him and they thereby placed the other golf team members who had  to live with him from day to day in a nerve gutting position.However,Andrew (and many other students who may yet make themselves heard ) can logically argue that he was given a contractual guarantee.
    The next thing would be for Eckstrand to  hire on as counsel for the coach and the other golf players who will claim that Duke also violated their contractual rights  when it contracted  with Andrew.
       

[vegas]

I am easly entertained and found the Judge and his comments funny.  Andrew has placed himself in an awful position.

[Sydney Carton]

  Here's the link to Paldo's transcript of the Amici brief.
    It will go down for all time uunder the name of Lacrosse player Edward Carpenter.
      http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/1847926/1/

[inmyhumbleopinion]

  Here's the link to Paldo's transcript of the Amici brief.
    It will go down for all time uunder the name of Lacrosse player Edward Carpenter.
      http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/1847926/1/

Edward C. Carrington, not Carpenter.

[Krystal Night]

http://heraldsun.southernheadlines.com/durham/4-1174302.cfm?


Giuliani's legal chip shot lands in court

DURHAM -- Andrew Giuliani's lawyer has asked federal judges to ignore a magistrate's recommendation that they dismiss his client's breach-of-contract lawsuit against Duke University.

The recommendation ignored basic North Carolina contract law and a federal statute, and brushed off legal rulings that support Giuliani's claim that Duke policies amounted to a contract that should have barred a coach from cutting him from the school's golf team, Durham lawyer Bob Ekstrand claimed.

Moreover, Giuliani's and other recent lawsuits involving Duke show that there's a need for judges to issue a "clarification on the legal relationship between the university and its students, and Division I coaches and their student-athletes," Ekstrand said.

Giuliani -- the son of former New York City mayor and unsuccessful presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani -- was kicked off Duke's golf team early in 2008. Duke in its legal filings has said the move followed a series of disciplinary transgressions that included a fight with a teammate.

Ekstrand has argued that the team's former coach, O.D. Vincent, lacked the authority to cut players from the squad, or even to discipline them without first consulting Duke's athletics director.

He's also contended the school reneged on the deal Vincent's predecessor, the late Rod Myers, made with Andrew Giuliani before the youth joined the team as a walk-on.

Myers is said by Ekstrand to have promised Giuliani, a pro golf hopeful, a "lifetime right of access" to the school's training facilities if he joined the team.

In return, Giuliani agreed to attend Duke and pay more than $200,000, Ekstrand said in his latest filing, presumably referring to the school's four-year total estimated cost, which includes tuition, books, fees, room and board.

In return, Giuliani agreed to attend Duke and pay more than $200,000, Ekstrand said in his latest filing, presumably referring to the school's four-year total estimated cost, which includes tuition, books, fees, room and board.

Duke has denied that Myers made any such promise to Giuliani or anyone else, and in filings has argued that a student's participation on a varsity sports team is a privilege, not a right.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Wallace Dixon's May opinion sided with Duke's take on the legal issues, quoting among other things a key federal appeals court ruling that said judges "should not take on the job of supervising the relationship between colleges and student-athletes or creating a new relationship between them."

A federal district court judge has to decide the matter.

Ekstrand's argument gained support last week from lawyers representing 38 members of Duke's 2005-06 lacrosse team, who are suing the school over its handling of stripper Crystal Mangum's false allegation that members of the team raped her.

Their friend-of-the-court filing, submitted by Durham lawyer Bill Thomas and Washington, D.C., lawyer Charles Cooper, said the lacrosse players "have a significant interest in the outcome" of Giuliani's case because their lawsuit also addresses their contractual rights vis-â??â? -vis Duke.

[vegas]

Ekstrand is the lawyer for both Andy and the lax team.